The richest man starts with a blind box
Chapter 264 The Emperor Can't Be Too Greedy
Chapter 264 The Emperor Can't Be Too Greedy
"I need evidence!" Makoto Kimura tapped the table lightly.
"I don't have any evidence, because these are based on intelligence analysis!" Huang He said.
"What information?" Kimura Makoto asked.
"TSMC sent a technical exchange delegation to ASML, and then ASML cut off our orders. I have a list in my hand. This is a delegation composed entirely of technicians, and all technicians are They are technicians related to lithography machine technology!" Huang He said.
"You mean that TSMC has mastered the technology that can break through the limit?" Makoto Kimura is not stupid, he immediately understood the meaning behind this information, but he was still full of doubts "But this is not logical, TSMC is just a company Semiconductor manufacturers, they never produce any lithography machines, they only purchase lithography machines for production, I really can't figure out why he wants to be involved in the lithography machine industry!"
"Because TSMC hopes to occupy the high-end semiconductor market!" Huang He smiled slightly and said, "Imagine, if TSMC and ASML jointly produced a next-generation lithography machine, and because TSMC is one of the technology developers, so the future All high-end lithography machines will only be provided to TSMC within a year or two. If TSMC is given priority in shipments, then all high-end chips will only be shipped from TSMC in the future. What kind of impact will TSMC have on the high-end semiconductor market? Threat, you should understand!"
"These unfamiliar Wanwan dogs!" Although Makoto Kimura had no expression on her face, she scolded in her heart.
Now Japan's semiconductor industry is already on the verge of collapse due to the restrictions of the United States and the entry of South Korea. Now TSMC has stepped in again. They are going to completely destroy the entire Japanese semiconductor industry.
Of course, Makoto Kimura was still full of doubts.
"But why do I believe that TSMC has the technology that can break through the limit? As far as I know, although TSMC has related lithography machine technicians, these technicians are more responsible for the maintenance and use of lithography machines. They There has never been technology accumulation in lithography machine manufacturing, so why should ASML cooperate with TSMC?"
"Not before, but now TSMC has a man named Lin Benjian." Huang He said.
"Lin Benjian, I seem to have heard of this name..." Makoto Kimura thought hard and said to himself, "I remembered, he once sold a lithography machine technology to our company a few years ago, what is it called?" ..."
"Infiltration lithography technology!" Huang He took the initiative to answer for him.
"Yes, there is nothing wrong with this technology!" Kimura Makoto's expression became serious. Lin Benjian actually proposed the prototype of this technology as early as 2000, and then began to try to contact major lithography machine manufacturers around the world. Market their own immersion lithography technology.
Once successful, Lin Benjian himself will also be able to obtain huge benefits.
At that time, the first batch of companies to be promoted was Nikon, but after seeing Lin Benjian's technology, Nikon directly refused without hesitation, and the order to refuse was personally agreed by Kimura Makoto.
The reason why Nikon rejected the immersion lithography imaging technology is not to say that all of Nikon are fools and cannot see the prospect of this technology.
But first of all, this technology itself is just an idea. Lin Benjian himself has not undergone any experimental verification, because the experiment of lithography machine requires a lot of funds and expensive equipment. Before getting the support of a big factory, Lin Benjian is unlikely to have the opportunity related experiments.
So this is just a piece of technology written on paper, which is actually similar to the technology produced by Minke. It is only natural that Makoto Kimura would choose not to believe it.
But the most important thing is that in 00, Nikon had invested more than 2 billion U.S. dollars in huge research and development funds in F10 laser imaging technology, and F2 laser imaging technology cannot be used with immersion lithography imaging technology, so Once Nikon adopts this immersion lithography imaging technology.
Not to mention the need to reinvest a huge amount of money in research and development, the previous investment of 10 billion U.S. dollars in research and development funds will collapse in an instant and become a meaningless sunk cost.
At the same time, Nikon is a listed company, and all scientific research funds need to be disclosed to the public. Once shareholders learn that Nikon has spent 10 years before and after, consuming 10 billion U.S. dollars in research and development funds, and the technological achievements they have produced are still If it is not born smoothly, it will directly lose the meaning of existence, so whether it is a stockholder or an investor, it will immediately use the stock price to teach Nikon the principles of life.
So Makoto Kimura is not stupid at all. He saw the harm of this technology to Nikon's future, so he rejected it without hesitation.
In Kimura Makoto's idea, F2 laser technology has already verified the possibility, and it will be a matter of time before the finished product is produced in the future. Even if this immersion lithography technology is real and has advantages in cost and performance, it will not be able to Shake Nikon's hegemony in the lithography machine industry in the next 10 years.
Of course, there is a great possibility that this technology itself is an imaginary technology and has no practical value.
Kimura Makoto's idea cannot be said to be wrong, he made the decision with the highest probability of success in his own calculations.
But the probability is a probability after all, as long as it is not 100%, there is a possibility of overturning. Once the immersion lithography technology debuts earlier than the F2 laser technology, even if it is only one year, the F2 laser technology will be completely finished, and Nikon will start from The current market position has completely fallen.
The fact is also true. Historically, after the immersion lithography machine debuted, Nikon lost all the high-end market in an instant, and the overall market share fell from the original 30% to less than 5%, and it all relied on selling some low-end and cheap Lithography machines barely maintain this market.
This forced Nikon to abandon the F2 laser technology, and then develop the immersion lithography machine technology from scratch. It was five or six years late before launching its first immersion lithography machine. The gap has been widened. Nikon has completely lost the possibility of turning over in the lithography machine industry. The market is getting smaller and smaller. In the end, Nikon was once facing the crisis of bankruptcy.
Therefore, the future fate of Nikon was already predestined when they gave up the immersion lithography imaging technology.
Makoto Kimura is not stupid, he has already seen the future of Nikon.
"Are you sure that TSMC has successfully developed this technology? Is this immersion lithography technology really feasible?" Makoto Kimura asked impatiently.
"Sorry, my information is not detailed enough to go deep into the senior management of TSMC and ASML to obtain the most confidential technical information, so this is just a guess based on my information!" Huang He said.
"So that's the case! Then I'll send someone to conduct the test immediately!" Makoto Kimura felt a fluke in his heart. If this is the case, then TSMC may not have mastered the perfect technology, so they need to communicate with Ah. Bismarck cooperates. In that case, it is almost impossible to directly produce a prototype within a year. They still have at least two years to respond.
The most urgent task is to immediately arrange a research and development team to verify whether this immersion lithography technology is really feasible. After all, this technology is not difficult in essence. It will take a week or two to determine whether the technology is feasible.
If it is really feasible, a specific technical solution will be available within a year or so. Makoto Kimura is still very confident in his company's R&D capabilities.
"Thank you very much for Huang Sang's information. If the information is true, I will make the decision. We will sell all the 10 200nm lithography machines you need at cost price, 1200 million US dollars each!" Makoto Kimura looked Sincerely received, but actually still an asshole for trying to sell a $1 million one.
"Actually, President Kimura doesn't need to waste time verifying the technology. I have a detailed technical report and data here. You only need to let your technicians take a look at it to know whether what I'm talking about is true or not!" Huang He laughed. road.
"Have you completed the verification of immersion lithography technology?" Makoto Kimura was really surprised this time.
Therefore, it is not very difficult to verify the feasibility of this technology, but it requires a lot of equipment, as well as the quality and quality of technical personnel.
To put it simply, if it is not a mature semiconductor technology research and development center and factory, it is impossible to carry out corresponding technical verification.
But according to his understanding, Jiangnan Group is just a mere leather and software manufacturer. When will there be such a department and strength as semiconductor technology!
"We also have a server company under the Jiangnan Group, so we hope to purchase lithography machines to enter the server industry, but we didn't expect to be teased like this!" Huang He laughed.
"It turned out to be a server." Makoto Kimura put down a little bit of guard. If it was a server, it would have no intersection with Nikon's business. On the contrary, the other party will definitely purchase a large number of lithography machines from Nikon in the future. This is a long-term partner. ah!
It was already past nine o'clock in the evening. It stands to reason that the meeting should continue tomorrow, but Makoto Kimura couldn't wait for a minute and a second. He just called a social animal from the technical department of the company , the top technician stared at the report for more than an hour, and finally nodded to Makoto Kimura.
"Are you sure this technology is feasible?"
"The steps of the whole report are very complete, and there is no error in the data. Tomorrow, we only need to verify the data in the laboratory according to the report, and we can confirm whether the report is true or not!" The technician said cautiously, but Kimura Makoto has confirmed the authenticity of this report.
After all, the authenticity of the report can be thoroughly verified in a day, and the other party really does not need to engage in such fraudulent means, otherwise it would be too stupid.
"Thank you Huang Sang. We can sign the contract tomorrow. At the same time, I can make another concession on the price, which is 1 million US dollars. This is definitely the greatest sincerity of our company. If there is more, it is not something I can decide. It was approved by the board of directors!" Makoto Kimura said sincerely.
"The price of 800 million, this is our bottom line!" Huang He said very simply, "President Kimura can discuss it slowly with the board of directors tomorrow. Similarly, I will also go to Canon friends tomorrow. I believe they will understand this information." Would be very interested as well!"
"Huang Sang, you can't be too greedy!" Makoto Kimura said angrily, "You only gave us a feasibility verification report, and in exchange for our price reduction of 350 million US dollars each, what else are you not satisfied with? I dare to swear to God Amaterasu, at most Canon will give you the same price.”
"That's not necessarily the case. What if I still have several key patents that need to be used in immersion lithography technology?" Huang He said with a slight smile.
(End of this chapter)
"I need evidence!" Makoto Kimura tapped the table lightly.
"I don't have any evidence, because these are based on intelligence analysis!" Huang He said.
"What information?" Kimura Makoto asked.
"TSMC sent a technical exchange delegation to ASML, and then ASML cut off our orders. I have a list in my hand. This is a delegation composed entirely of technicians, and all technicians are They are technicians related to lithography machine technology!" Huang He said.
"You mean that TSMC has mastered the technology that can break through the limit?" Makoto Kimura is not stupid, he immediately understood the meaning behind this information, but he was still full of doubts "But this is not logical, TSMC is just a company Semiconductor manufacturers, they never produce any lithography machines, they only purchase lithography machines for production, I really can't figure out why he wants to be involved in the lithography machine industry!"
"Because TSMC hopes to occupy the high-end semiconductor market!" Huang He smiled slightly and said, "Imagine, if TSMC and ASML jointly produced a next-generation lithography machine, and because TSMC is one of the technology developers, so the future All high-end lithography machines will only be provided to TSMC within a year or two. If TSMC is given priority in shipments, then all high-end chips will only be shipped from TSMC in the future. What kind of impact will TSMC have on the high-end semiconductor market? Threat, you should understand!"
"These unfamiliar Wanwan dogs!" Although Makoto Kimura had no expression on her face, she scolded in her heart.
Now Japan's semiconductor industry is already on the verge of collapse due to the restrictions of the United States and the entry of South Korea. Now TSMC has stepped in again. They are going to completely destroy the entire Japanese semiconductor industry.
Of course, Makoto Kimura was still full of doubts.
"But why do I believe that TSMC has the technology that can break through the limit? As far as I know, although TSMC has related lithography machine technicians, these technicians are more responsible for the maintenance and use of lithography machines. They There has never been technology accumulation in lithography machine manufacturing, so why should ASML cooperate with TSMC?"
"Not before, but now TSMC has a man named Lin Benjian." Huang He said.
"Lin Benjian, I seem to have heard of this name..." Makoto Kimura thought hard and said to himself, "I remembered, he once sold a lithography machine technology to our company a few years ago, what is it called?" ..."
"Infiltration lithography technology!" Huang He took the initiative to answer for him.
"Yes, there is nothing wrong with this technology!" Kimura Makoto's expression became serious. Lin Benjian actually proposed the prototype of this technology as early as 2000, and then began to try to contact major lithography machine manufacturers around the world. Market their own immersion lithography technology.
Once successful, Lin Benjian himself will also be able to obtain huge benefits.
At that time, the first batch of companies to be promoted was Nikon, but after seeing Lin Benjian's technology, Nikon directly refused without hesitation, and the order to refuse was personally agreed by Kimura Makoto.
The reason why Nikon rejected the immersion lithography imaging technology is not to say that all of Nikon are fools and cannot see the prospect of this technology.
But first of all, this technology itself is just an idea. Lin Benjian himself has not undergone any experimental verification, because the experiment of lithography machine requires a lot of funds and expensive equipment. Before getting the support of a big factory, Lin Benjian is unlikely to have the opportunity related experiments.
So this is just a piece of technology written on paper, which is actually similar to the technology produced by Minke. It is only natural that Makoto Kimura would choose not to believe it.
But the most important thing is that in 00, Nikon had invested more than 2 billion U.S. dollars in huge research and development funds in F10 laser imaging technology, and F2 laser imaging technology cannot be used with immersion lithography imaging technology, so Once Nikon adopts this immersion lithography imaging technology.
Not to mention the need to reinvest a huge amount of money in research and development, the previous investment of 10 billion U.S. dollars in research and development funds will collapse in an instant and become a meaningless sunk cost.
At the same time, Nikon is a listed company, and all scientific research funds need to be disclosed to the public. Once shareholders learn that Nikon has spent 10 years before and after, consuming 10 billion U.S. dollars in research and development funds, and the technological achievements they have produced are still If it is not born smoothly, it will directly lose the meaning of existence, so whether it is a stockholder or an investor, it will immediately use the stock price to teach Nikon the principles of life.
So Makoto Kimura is not stupid at all. He saw the harm of this technology to Nikon's future, so he rejected it without hesitation.
In Kimura Makoto's idea, F2 laser technology has already verified the possibility, and it will be a matter of time before the finished product is produced in the future. Even if this immersion lithography technology is real and has advantages in cost and performance, it will not be able to Shake Nikon's hegemony in the lithography machine industry in the next 10 years.
Of course, there is a great possibility that this technology itself is an imaginary technology and has no practical value.
Kimura Makoto's idea cannot be said to be wrong, he made the decision with the highest probability of success in his own calculations.
But the probability is a probability after all, as long as it is not 100%, there is a possibility of overturning. Once the immersion lithography technology debuts earlier than the F2 laser technology, even if it is only one year, the F2 laser technology will be completely finished, and Nikon will start from The current market position has completely fallen.
The fact is also true. Historically, after the immersion lithography machine debuted, Nikon lost all the high-end market in an instant, and the overall market share fell from the original 30% to less than 5%, and it all relied on selling some low-end and cheap Lithography machines barely maintain this market.
This forced Nikon to abandon the F2 laser technology, and then develop the immersion lithography machine technology from scratch. It was five or six years late before launching its first immersion lithography machine. The gap has been widened. Nikon has completely lost the possibility of turning over in the lithography machine industry. The market is getting smaller and smaller. In the end, Nikon was once facing the crisis of bankruptcy.
Therefore, the future fate of Nikon was already predestined when they gave up the immersion lithography imaging technology.
Makoto Kimura is not stupid, he has already seen the future of Nikon.
"Are you sure that TSMC has successfully developed this technology? Is this immersion lithography technology really feasible?" Makoto Kimura asked impatiently.
"Sorry, my information is not detailed enough to go deep into the senior management of TSMC and ASML to obtain the most confidential technical information, so this is just a guess based on my information!" Huang He said.
"So that's the case! Then I'll send someone to conduct the test immediately!" Makoto Kimura felt a fluke in his heart. If this is the case, then TSMC may not have mastered the perfect technology, so they need to communicate with Ah. Bismarck cooperates. In that case, it is almost impossible to directly produce a prototype within a year. They still have at least two years to respond.
The most urgent task is to immediately arrange a research and development team to verify whether this immersion lithography technology is really feasible. After all, this technology is not difficult in essence. It will take a week or two to determine whether the technology is feasible.
If it is really feasible, a specific technical solution will be available within a year or so. Makoto Kimura is still very confident in his company's R&D capabilities.
"Thank you very much for Huang Sang's information. If the information is true, I will make the decision. We will sell all the 10 200nm lithography machines you need at cost price, 1200 million US dollars each!" Makoto Kimura looked Sincerely received, but actually still an asshole for trying to sell a $1 million one.
"Actually, President Kimura doesn't need to waste time verifying the technology. I have a detailed technical report and data here. You only need to let your technicians take a look at it to know whether what I'm talking about is true or not!" Huang He laughed. road.
"Have you completed the verification of immersion lithography technology?" Makoto Kimura was really surprised this time.
Therefore, it is not very difficult to verify the feasibility of this technology, but it requires a lot of equipment, as well as the quality and quality of technical personnel.
To put it simply, if it is not a mature semiconductor technology research and development center and factory, it is impossible to carry out corresponding technical verification.
But according to his understanding, Jiangnan Group is just a mere leather and software manufacturer. When will there be such a department and strength as semiconductor technology!
"We also have a server company under the Jiangnan Group, so we hope to purchase lithography machines to enter the server industry, but we didn't expect to be teased like this!" Huang He laughed.
"It turned out to be a server." Makoto Kimura put down a little bit of guard. If it was a server, it would have no intersection with Nikon's business. On the contrary, the other party will definitely purchase a large number of lithography machines from Nikon in the future. This is a long-term partner. ah!
It was already past nine o'clock in the evening. It stands to reason that the meeting should continue tomorrow, but Makoto Kimura couldn't wait for a minute and a second. He just called a social animal from the technical department of the company , the top technician stared at the report for more than an hour, and finally nodded to Makoto Kimura.
"Are you sure this technology is feasible?"
"The steps of the whole report are very complete, and there is no error in the data. Tomorrow, we only need to verify the data in the laboratory according to the report, and we can confirm whether the report is true or not!" The technician said cautiously, but Kimura Makoto has confirmed the authenticity of this report.
After all, the authenticity of the report can be thoroughly verified in a day, and the other party really does not need to engage in such fraudulent means, otherwise it would be too stupid.
"Thank you Huang Sang. We can sign the contract tomorrow. At the same time, I can make another concession on the price, which is 1 million US dollars. This is definitely the greatest sincerity of our company. If there is more, it is not something I can decide. It was approved by the board of directors!" Makoto Kimura said sincerely.
"The price of 800 million, this is our bottom line!" Huang He said very simply, "President Kimura can discuss it slowly with the board of directors tomorrow. Similarly, I will also go to Canon friends tomorrow. I believe they will understand this information." Would be very interested as well!"
"Huang Sang, you can't be too greedy!" Makoto Kimura said angrily, "You only gave us a feasibility verification report, and in exchange for our price reduction of 350 million US dollars each, what else are you not satisfied with? I dare to swear to God Amaterasu, at most Canon will give you the same price.”
"That's not necessarily the case. What if I still have several key patents that need to be used in immersion lithography technology?" Huang He said with a slight smile.
(End of this chapter)
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