Da Ming Tai Shi
Chapter 121
Chapter 121
In the East Pavilion, Xu Bendang stretched out his hand to ask Chen Yunfu for money, but fortunately he took the latter into the army.
But Chen Yunfu didn't have any opinion on Xu Ben because of this, on the contrary, he had a good feeling in his heart.
This is a man of action!
Although it seems very vulgar to talk about open-mouthed money and closed-mouthed money, there is no difference between holding a country and being in charge of a family. Living life, firewood, rice, oil, salt, soy sauce, vinegar and tea all revolve around money.
A good man has to support his family, and a good emperor has to support the whole world.
Since it is said that corvee is to be abolished, then wages must be paid to the workers. Xu himself is the Minister of the Ministry of Industry, so if you ask Chen Yunfu whether there is anything wrong with asking for wages.
It was you who proposed the abolition of corvee.
Xu Ben was the magistrate of Jiaxing County at the beginning. Because he did not pick up things on the road and did not close his house at night, he was promoted by Zhu Yuanzhang in the 13th year of Hongwu and promoted him to be the chief envoy of Guangdong. Political envoy, Xu Ben was re-appointed as Zuobu political envoy, and he is still the top leader.
In the 17th year of Hongwu, he was transferred to Beijing due to the Guo Huan case and served as the minister of the Ministry of Industry.
This can be regarded as a representative figure promoted by the Rockets among local officials, and the most glorious resume in his resume is naturally when he was the county magistrate of Jiaxing.
Do not pick up lost items on the road, and do not close the door at night!
This is a capable official and an official.
Being generaled by such a person, how could Chen Yunfu get angry, it was too late to be happy.
"Xu Butang mentioned the shortage of wages after the abolition of the corvee system. On this point, the lower officials want to ask Xu Butang to rest assured that money will not be lost to the Ministry of Industry."
Chen Yunfu sat upright, to be honest.
"The Baoyuan Bureau will not add copper coins, and the Banknote Lifting Department will not print additional banknotes. Guochao can fill them in for the Ministry of Industry."
"Is that so, the old man respectfully listens to the advice of the General Political Envoy."
"The Guochao took 1608 million taels to pay the people, and the people had 1608 million taels more to spend. The 1608 million taels are in the hands of the people. Does it count as hiding wealth from the people?"
"Calculate."
"People use money for food and clothing. These two things are taken from merchants or state-owned enterprises. If they are taken from merchants, there will be commercial taxes. If they are used for state-owned enterprises, they will be the treasury revenue. The money will eventually flow back to the state treasury."
"Can the business tax still be collected 100%? Is there no cost to the state?"
Xu Ben retorted: "For example, if a commoner in Gansu works as a worker, he will serve the imperial court for [-] days a year and receive [-] cash for his wages. Is this the expenditure of the state treasury?"
"Yes."
"Then this commoner in Gansu bought salt with 450 jin. Because of the average price, the imperial court lost [-] fen for every catty of salt sold. This commoner bought [-] catties of salt with the money. Is the court extra Lost an extra [-] Wen."
"Yes."
"Every time I come and go, every time I turn over and straighten, just on this one commoner, the court spends an extra two taels of silver a year!"
Xu Ben sternly said: "The old man knows what the envoys mean. The purpose of the court to sell salt at an average price is to hide wealth from the people. The money will roll around and will return to the treasury sooner or later. This is true.
But that will take time, not overnight, when will the treasury have money?
It's very simple, that is, when the people in the Northwest and Southwest regain their vitality due to the policy of equalizing prices and abolishing corvee, they not only give birth to the next generation, but also the people's livelihood is almost at the same level as that in the south of the Yangtze River. The common people in the Northwest earned it back.
One generation, 15 or even 20 years!
How could Guochao pay 3000 million taels of silver to survive 15 or even 20 years? This is still under the condition that there will be no major natural disasters in Guochao in the next 20 years. All countries and dynasties will fall into the predicament of having no money for disaster relief. At that time, there will be tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of victims who are starving for food. How will the general envoy plan to rescue them! "
At this moment, Chen Yunfu was almost in awe of Xu Ben!
And after this respect, Chen Yunfu had to admit that Xu Ben was very considerate.
At least he is more thoughtful than Chen Yunfu.
Yes, although there is a logical chain that complements each other between macroeconomics and microeconomics, it does not mean that the level of social productivity in Ming Dynasty at this time can support the establishment of a complete macroeconomic system, let alone realize and support the domestic economy. Can operate in a closed loop.
Before the macro-economy is fully established, his operations, in layman's terms, are too big a step.
If a force majeure natural disaster is really going to happen, it's really nonsense.
"The bitter lesson of the Huihe dispute in the Northern Song Dynasty, the old man thinks, everyone here knows."
Xu Ben swept his eyes across the hall, and said in a deep voice: "Because the Northern Song Dynasty had no money to sort out the old course of the Yellow River left in the Eastern Han Dynasty, but in order to forcibly calm down the Yellow River, it chose to break the embankment and divert the flow. Tens of millions of people were displaced, and millions of people died of starvation. It is a good world, and anti-people is everywhere.
Although our Ming Dynasty now sees that the Yellow River and the Yangtze River are fairly honest, but who knows when they will be troubled and when they will be aggressive, you can't bet, you dare not bet, everyone! "
"Xu Butang is right!"
It was not Zhan Hui who yelled, but Chen Yunfu who yelled. His eyes dropped in shock, and even Zhu Biao looked sideways.
"Abolishing Corvettes and Restoring Business Shu" was proposed by you yourself, and now Xu Ben refutes you, do you still support it?
What does this mean.
Chen Yunfu stood up, bowed to Xu Ben sincerely, and said calmly: "Young officials are young, and they are not as far-sighted as the ministers, and the words of the ministers are pearls, which can be said to be old and upholding the country.
Yes, the country cannot be without money for a day, and the country cannot be without a sense of crisis. The abolition of corvees is a hasty dismissal. "
In a hurry, corvee cannot be abolished, because the country cannot be without money!
Xu Ben didn't expect Chen Yunfu to be so eloquent. He thought that Chen Yunfu rarely held a high position, and when he was most proud and proud, and with the support of Shao Zhi and Yu Lun, he would die with him. Knock it.
After being stunned for a moment, he bowed in return.
"Tongzheng envoy, this old man discusses the matter as it stands, and has nothing else to think about."
"The lower officials all understand in their hearts that the minister is a pragmatic official and even a capable minister." Chen Yunfu was humble.
"The Tongzheng Envoy has too much reputation. Although it is difficult to abolish the corvee, the last three items mentioned by the Tongzheng Envoy can still be tried first."
In this way, what was thought to be the two arguing with each other turned into mutual support, even Shao Zhi and Yu Lun, who were slightly embarrassed earlier, returned to normal at this moment, smiling.
It seems that Xu Ben is indeed discussing the matter as it stands, and does not belong to Zhan Hui's party.
As Chen Yunfu just said, Xu Ben is a pragmatic official.
"Tang Taizong once said that with people as a mirror, you can understand gains and losses, golden and jade good words." Zhu Biao, who was on the top, nodded frequently, and boasted: "Sure enough, the reason is unclear. The gains and losses in "Recovery of Shang Shu" are a great thing, Xu Butang is pragmatic in holding the country, and the envoys in charge of the government are humbly asking for advice, which is the joy of the country, very kind!"
After complimenting each other, Zhu Biao asked Ge Xun.
"Gebutang, if the corvee is not abolished, is it feasible to resume business registration, equalize prices, and discuss the management of officials?"
How could Ge Xun not know at this moment, so he patted his chest as a guarantee.
"The Ministry of Finance fully supports it."
"What about your opinions?"
The remaining few who have not expressed their views also stood up and replied at this moment.
"Not abolishing the corvee for now, we also feel that the law of Tongzhengshi is feasible."
Eight votes passed, leaving Zhan Hui alone in a mess.
Only now did he realize that the political influence left by his father had long been as weak as a candle, and those uncles and uncles jointly recommended him and kept him in Jiuqing. Will help him again!
In this court meeting, the biggest winner is Chen Yunfu.
Although the four items in "Abolishing the Corvette and Restoring Business Shu" have not been passed, passing three items is enough to demonstrate Chen Yunfu's ability, and today's behavior of humbly accepting his words after the discussion with Xu Ben is even more commendable.
Ability and conduct are superior.
With the implementation of the new law, Chen Yunfu's power will inevitably be strengthened again, and he, Zhan Hui, may not be his opponent.
(End of this chapter)
In the East Pavilion, Xu Bendang stretched out his hand to ask Chen Yunfu for money, but fortunately he took the latter into the army.
But Chen Yunfu didn't have any opinion on Xu Ben because of this, on the contrary, he had a good feeling in his heart.
This is a man of action!
Although it seems very vulgar to talk about open-mouthed money and closed-mouthed money, there is no difference between holding a country and being in charge of a family. Living life, firewood, rice, oil, salt, soy sauce, vinegar and tea all revolve around money.
A good man has to support his family, and a good emperor has to support the whole world.
Since it is said that corvee is to be abolished, then wages must be paid to the workers. Xu himself is the Minister of the Ministry of Industry, so if you ask Chen Yunfu whether there is anything wrong with asking for wages.
It was you who proposed the abolition of corvee.
Xu Ben was the magistrate of Jiaxing County at the beginning. Because he did not pick up things on the road and did not close his house at night, he was promoted by Zhu Yuanzhang in the 13th year of Hongwu and promoted him to be the chief envoy of Guangdong. Political envoy, Xu Ben was re-appointed as Zuobu political envoy, and he is still the top leader.
In the 17th year of Hongwu, he was transferred to Beijing due to the Guo Huan case and served as the minister of the Ministry of Industry.
This can be regarded as a representative figure promoted by the Rockets among local officials, and the most glorious resume in his resume is naturally when he was the county magistrate of Jiaxing.
Do not pick up lost items on the road, and do not close the door at night!
This is a capable official and an official.
Being generaled by such a person, how could Chen Yunfu get angry, it was too late to be happy.
"Xu Butang mentioned the shortage of wages after the abolition of the corvee system. On this point, the lower officials want to ask Xu Butang to rest assured that money will not be lost to the Ministry of Industry."
Chen Yunfu sat upright, to be honest.
"The Baoyuan Bureau will not add copper coins, and the Banknote Lifting Department will not print additional banknotes. Guochao can fill them in for the Ministry of Industry."
"Is that so, the old man respectfully listens to the advice of the General Political Envoy."
"The Guochao took 1608 million taels to pay the people, and the people had 1608 million taels more to spend. The 1608 million taels are in the hands of the people. Does it count as hiding wealth from the people?"
"Calculate."
"People use money for food and clothing. These two things are taken from merchants or state-owned enterprises. If they are taken from merchants, there will be commercial taxes. If they are used for state-owned enterprises, they will be the treasury revenue. The money will eventually flow back to the state treasury."
"Can the business tax still be collected 100%? Is there no cost to the state?"
Xu Ben retorted: "For example, if a commoner in Gansu works as a worker, he will serve the imperial court for [-] days a year and receive [-] cash for his wages. Is this the expenditure of the state treasury?"
"Yes."
"Then this commoner in Gansu bought salt with 450 jin. Because of the average price, the imperial court lost [-] fen for every catty of salt sold. This commoner bought [-] catties of salt with the money. Is the court extra Lost an extra [-] Wen."
"Yes."
"Every time I come and go, every time I turn over and straighten, just on this one commoner, the court spends an extra two taels of silver a year!"
Xu Ben sternly said: "The old man knows what the envoys mean. The purpose of the court to sell salt at an average price is to hide wealth from the people. The money will roll around and will return to the treasury sooner or later. This is true.
But that will take time, not overnight, when will the treasury have money?
It's very simple, that is, when the people in the Northwest and Southwest regain their vitality due to the policy of equalizing prices and abolishing corvee, they not only give birth to the next generation, but also the people's livelihood is almost at the same level as that in the south of the Yangtze River. The common people in the Northwest earned it back.
One generation, 15 or even 20 years!
How could Guochao pay 3000 million taels of silver to survive 15 or even 20 years? This is still under the condition that there will be no major natural disasters in Guochao in the next 20 years. All countries and dynasties will fall into the predicament of having no money for disaster relief. At that time, there will be tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of victims who are starving for food. How will the general envoy plan to rescue them! "
At this moment, Chen Yunfu was almost in awe of Xu Ben!
And after this respect, Chen Yunfu had to admit that Xu Ben was very considerate.
At least he is more thoughtful than Chen Yunfu.
Yes, although there is a logical chain that complements each other between macroeconomics and microeconomics, it does not mean that the level of social productivity in Ming Dynasty at this time can support the establishment of a complete macroeconomic system, let alone realize and support the domestic economy. Can operate in a closed loop.
Before the macro-economy is fully established, his operations, in layman's terms, are too big a step.
If a force majeure natural disaster is really going to happen, it's really nonsense.
"The bitter lesson of the Huihe dispute in the Northern Song Dynasty, the old man thinks, everyone here knows."
Xu Ben swept his eyes across the hall, and said in a deep voice: "Because the Northern Song Dynasty had no money to sort out the old course of the Yellow River left in the Eastern Han Dynasty, but in order to forcibly calm down the Yellow River, it chose to break the embankment and divert the flow. Tens of millions of people were displaced, and millions of people died of starvation. It is a good world, and anti-people is everywhere.
Although our Ming Dynasty now sees that the Yellow River and the Yangtze River are fairly honest, but who knows when they will be troubled and when they will be aggressive, you can't bet, you dare not bet, everyone! "
"Xu Butang is right!"
It was not Zhan Hui who yelled, but Chen Yunfu who yelled. His eyes dropped in shock, and even Zhu Biao looked sideways.
"Abolishing Corvettes and Restoring Business Shu" was proposed by you yourself, and now Xu Ben refutes you, do you still support it?
What does this mean.
Chen Yunfu stood up, bowed to Xu Ben sincerely, and said calmly: "Young officials are young, and they are not as far-sighted as the ministers, and the words of the ministers are pearls, which can be said to be old and upholding the country.
Yes, the country cannot be without money for a day, and the country cannot be without a sense of crisis. The abolition of corvees is a hasty dismissal. "
In a hurry, corvee cannot be abolished, because the country cannot be without money!
Xu Ben didn't expect Chen Yunfu to be so eloquent. He thought that Chen Yunfu rarely held a high position, and when he was most proud and proud, and with the support of Shao Zhi and Yu Lun, he would die with him. Knock it.
After being stunned for a moment, he bowed in return.
"Tongzheng envoy, this old man discusses the matter as it stands, and has nothing else to think about."
"The lower officials all understand in their hearts that the minister is a pragmatic official and even a capable minister." Chen Yunfu was humble.
"The Tongzheng Envoy has too much reputation. Although it is difficult to abolish the corvee, the last three items mentioned by the Tongzheng Envoy can still be tried first."
In this way, what was thought to be the two arguing with each other turned into mutual support, even Shao Zhi and Yu Lun, who were slightly embarrassed earlier, returned to normal at this moment, smiling.
It seems that Xu Ben is indeed discussing the matter as it stands, and does not belong to Zhan Hui's party.
As Chen Yunfu just said, Xu Ben is a pragmatic official.
"Tang Taizong once said that with people as a mirror, you can understand gains and losses, golden and jade good words." Zhu Biao, who was on the top, nodded frequently, and boasted: "Sure enough, the reason is unclear. The gains and losses in "Recovery of Shang Shu" are a great thing, Xu Butang is pragmatic in holding the country, and the envoys in charge of the government are humbly asking for advice, which is the joy of the country, very kind!"
After complimenting each other, Zhu Biao asked Ge Xun.
"Gebutang, if the corvee is not abolished, is it feasible to resume business registration, equalize prices, and discuss the management of officials?"
How could Ge Xun not know at this moment, so he patted his chest as a guarantee.
"The Ministry of Finance fully supports it."
"What about your opinions?"
The remaining few who have not expressed their views also stood up and replied at this moment.
"Not abolishing the corvee for now, we also feel that the law of Tongzhengshi is feasible."
Eight votes passed, leaving Zhan Hui alone in a mess.
Only now did he realize that the political influence left by his father had long been as weak as a candle, and those uncles and uncles jointly recommended him and kept him in Jiuqing. Will help him again!
In this court meeting, the biggest winner is Chen Yunfu.
Although the four items in "Abolishing the Corvette and Restoring Business Shu" have not been passed, passing three items is enough to demonstrate Chen Yunfu's ability, and today's behavior of humbly accepting his words after the discussion with Xu Ben is even more commendable.
Ability and conduct are superior.
With the implementation of the new law, Chen Yunfu's power will inevitably be strengthened again, and he, Zhan Hui, may not be his opponent.
(End of this chapter)
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