Rebirth: My 80s

Chapter 866 Bet on each other’s dignity

Watts scanned the entire audience, his gaze lingering on the face of the crazy-looking optical expert for a while.

"Sir, the 193nm ArF laser light source cannot be extended to 65nm. But, did I mention that Ames uses this kind of light source?"

"I'll just tell you." The optical expert patted his chest wildly and let out a long sigh.

It seems that if Ames really uses the 193nm ArF laser light source and extends it to the 65nm technology node, his scientific outlook will collapse.

Sure enough, Chen Chunxian thought.

Ames discovered a brand new technology.

As a scientific research madman, this made him think deeply on such an occasion:
What kind of new technology is it?
The 193nm ArF laser light source is an idea provided by Jiankun. He has always believed that it is the only answer to the light source problem of the fourth-generation lithography machine.

Now it seems that is obviously not the case.

Without abandoning the 193nm ArF laser light source and finding new methods, it will be impossible for Chinese Silicon Valley companies to catch up with Ames in terms of lithography machine technology.

With this thought, Chen Chunxian just wanted to get into the laboratory right away...

"Mr. Watts, can you tell us what kind of light source Ames is using now?" the optical expert asked.

He was very curious about this.

In fact, almost everyone there wanted to know the answer.

Chen Chunxian pricked up his ears. I don’t really want to steal my lesson, but if someone insists on saying it... why doesn’t he listen?
Watts looked at the optical expert who asked the question and smiled without saying a word.

"Mr. Watts, the lithography machine is an extremely complex fusion of multiple disciplines. What impact does it have just to reveal such information?

“In my institution, the technology level of photolithography machines is still in the third generation.

"So you see, even if I know that the fourth-generation lithography machine will use 193nm ArF laser light source, our institution still cannot develop the fourth-generation lithography machine in a short time."

The optical expert said with a hint of pleading.

Everyone at the scene nodded frequently, and many people spoke in agreement.

Facing the expectant eyes of the crowd, Watts behaved like a gentleman, bowed slightly and apologized, saying:
"It's not that we don't want to tell you, it's just that it may not be the optimal light source solution for the future development of lithography machines. In fact, during the research process, we have discovered many problems. It may be applicable at this stage, but it will be difficult in the future. , I’m afraid of leading everyone astray.”

Call——

There are people who are not afraid of offending Ames and just boo him.

This is obviously just because I don't want to say it, and it's just an excuse.

At this moment, another voice sounded from the auditorium speakers.

"That's quite the truth."

Watts turned his head: "??"

Suddenly started to speak for him...what's the situation.

Many people at the scene also asked black people with foreheads. They were bloody just now, but now they seem to have become good friends again.

At this time, there was only one person except Watts whose sound could be spread to the entire audience through the microphone.

There were only two of them poking at the podium.

The eyes of everyone in the audience instantly focused on Li Jiankun.

"What's wrong?" Li Jiankun looked around the auditorium and said with a smile, "He's right. Of course I agree. As he said, the light source technology they are using now is indeed astray..."

"You fart!"

Watts cursed angrily. After he finished scolding, he noticed that everyone looked at him strangely, so he smiled mischievously: "I want to say, have you ever seen students with poor grades tutoring students with good grades? In any case, he None of them are qualified to evaluate our technology.

“He doesn’t even know what our light source technology is, so how dare he make rash comments?

"Everyone is right."

Before everyone at the scene could react, Li Jiankun's voice came from the auditorium speakers:

"Is it necessary to hide it? It's not unfair to say that you have a small belly. Isn't it just a 157nm deep purple light source?"

Watts: "!!!"

Several people from Ames Company in the audience: "!!!"

Just looking at their expressions, everyone at the scene also came up with the answer: it is this kind of light source that Ames is currently using on its fourth-generation lithography machine.

The optical expert's eyes suddenly lit up and he shouted to the staff of the Association for Science and Technology: "Is there a small blackboard? Pen and paper, pen and paper will do, please give me pen and paper!"

The staff presented pen and paper.

rustling...

Optical experts immediately began to calculate.

To be honest, Li Jiankun wanted to poach him, if he could figure it out this way.

"Haha! It's fun! I feel like it's fun!"

The optical expert's hand holding the pen showed an afterimage, and he was laughing while doing calculations.

Wu Cao is really a super boss... Li Jiankun licked the corners of his lips.

"You think our company doesn't know?" He looked sideways.

Watts: "..."

Chen Chunxian and several researchers looked at each other, but anyway... they didn't know.

But if Jiankun knew about it, there seems to be nothing wrong with saying so.

The question is...how did he know it again?

Are you confused this time too?

Chen Chunxian thought to himself that if Jiankun couldn't give a reasonable explanation this time, he would cut a slice from Jiankun's body to test whether he was an alien.

"This is not a secret at all. The reason why we do not use 157nm light source is, as you said, a misunderstanding." Li Jiankun said.

"This...this is impossible." Watts' tongue curled up a bit.

"Let me ask you, do you encounter unprecedented challenges in the lens when using the 157nm light source?" Li Jiankun glanced at him.

Watts: "!!!"

In the audience, one of his teammates had his chin slightly open.

This person is from the German Zeiss company, which mainly supplies AMES’s lithography machine lenses.

So he knew nothing about it.

Not long ago, Ames Corporation commissioned them to manufacture a lens that can be used for subsequent research on 157nm deep violet light source. However, they were unable to manufacture it.

If even they can't create it, no one on earth can create it right now. It can be said that as long as the lens problem cannot be solved, the research direction of 157nm light source will be a dead end.

"Everyone, please stop thinking nonsense."

Li Jiankun's eyes fell on Lao Chen and took a deep look at him: "Using the 157nm light source can indeed push the minimum process of the photolithography machine to 65nm. However, this research direction has ridiculously high requirements for lenses.

“Let me say something that may be a bit depressing: We don’t have that kind of optical lens technology on earth now, and we won’t have it in a short time.

"Drill in this direction, and there's a high chance that you're going to get hit by something crazy."

In the past life, scientists studying lithography machines around the world have been working in the direction of 157nm light sources for nearly two decades.

No research results have been produced yet.

Li Jiankun knows the history of the development of lithography machines, and he is naturally aware of the biggest obstacle in the history of lithography machines.

The optical expert put down the Hero pen, stopped calculating, looked confused, and asked for advice: "Mr. Li, in this case, what light source do you think should be used to continue research on the fourth-generation lithography machine?"

Everyone at the scene loved this comrade very much, and the questions he asked could be said to be all technical secrets.

Most people really don't have the nerve to ask, but he sounded like a technical geek, asking questions very calmly, and looking like he was thirsty for knowledge.

The question is, such a technical secret... just look at the people at Ames and you will know. Can Mr. Li tell it?

"It's still a 193nm light source." Li Jiankun replied.

Hey!
He actually said it without a moment's hesitation.

No better than I don’t know…

It's just that many people at the scene were not convinced by this answer, especially the people from Ames.

"Bad talk!"

Watts snorted heavily and said: "Why did Ames abandon the 193nm light source and switch to researching the 157nm light source? Because the 193nm light source road is simply unworkable. It cannot even reach the minimum process of 65nm!"

This issue has actually been discussed before.

The optical expert nodded vigorously: "Yes, God has blocked this road. I just said that I dare to risk my life to guarantee that the 193nm ArF laser light source will never be extended to the 65nm technology node."

Chen Chunxian said silently, I dare to bet my life.

"Sir, I want to give you a piece of advice." Li Jiankun looked at the optical expert who was speaking. "I see in you a kind of persistence in science, which is almost paranoid. People with a personality like yours should not be casual in the future. Risk your life."

Optical expert: "..."

Chen Chunxian: "..."

Li Jiankun then turned to look at Watts beside him.

"Who told you that the 193nm ArF laser light source cannot break through the 65nm technology node? Don't use your incompetence to measure everyone."

The optical expert thought to himself, this "you" does not include me...

"Shameless talk!"

Watts was furious: "This is a recognized fact in the world of optics, almost the truth! What, you want to challenge the truth?"

"Again - how?" Li Jiankun said indifferently.

Watts laughed angrily: "If you can extend the 193nm ArF laser light source to the 65nm technology node, let alone a breakthrough, I, I..."

"I'm listening." Li Jiankun pointed to his ear.

"I... will admit that your photolithography machine technology is the best in the world."

"This is nonsense." Li Jiankun curled his lips and said, "At this level of technology, why are we not the best in the world? Do you need to admit it?
“Besides, we are already number one in the world!

“The 157nm light source technology you are using is just a solution that we have abandoned and has no long-term research value.

"Do you think it will be difficult for us to use the 157nm light source in the laboratory and push the minimum process to 65nm, given that we have mastered the technical level of the fourth-generation lithography machine?"

Watts: "..."

"It's easy to pick up!" Chen Chunxian finally said something and patted his chest.

Most people at the scene nodded subconsciously. This is indeed not difficult. After all, the basics are here and the background is here.

Watts' face turned red. He would never admit that the other party was the world's number one, and his teammates would not allow it. He waved his hands and said: "Don't talk about these useless things. You can't break through the 65nm technology node!"

The topic comes back again.

"Since you want to bet, I'll bet with you."

Li Jiankun stretched out his index finger and said, "If we do it, you and your Ames people will also have to do one thing:

"A candid and public apology to our company and the organizers of this event."

"What if you can't do it? There's still a deadline for this, and we can't wait forever." Watts said.

"The solution will be produced within a week and shared with colleagues around the world."

Li Jiankun said that in his opinion, there is no need to hide this matter. Unless you develop a lithography machine and just hide it at home to play with it, people who know how to use the light source will immediately know the machine when they see it.

But.

As the optical expert said before, the lithography machine is a large integration of multiple disciplines. If you only know one technical method and other technologies are not in place, it will be useless.

Clap clap clap clap!
Thunderous applause erupted in the auditorium.

What Li Jiankun was thinking was unknown to outsiders. In the eyes of others at the scene, he was simply too arrogant.

It has the style of the ancient heavenly dynasty.

Compared with him, the people of Amaisi... are not small-minded.

Such a scene made Watts' whole face turn the color of pig liver: "Okay! We also have the same request: admit your mistakes and publicly and sincerely apologize to us."

Are you kidding? How can truth be challenged?

Not to mention within a week, a year, ten years... so what?

Li Jiankun is like a mirror. In his previous life, it took more than 65 years to solve the problem of how to break through the nm technology node of the lithography machine.

It’s not because it’s difficult.

It's just that when doing scientific research, sometimes you need a flash of inspiration.

At that time, no one was hit by an apple. Until 2002, a man named Lin Benma from TSMC proposed a solution.

He looked to the side of the stage.

However, he was not qualified to make this bet, or he could only make half of it.

The "you" that Watts refers to are certainly not just people from China Silicon Valley.

(End of this chapter)