When I am reborn, I just want to be a top student

Facing Jack Ma's almost final showdown, Wang Donglai remained calm.

"Boss Ma, I wonder if you have seen the movie 'Dying to Survive'?"

Wang Donglai did not answer directly, but asked this irrelevant question.

Jack Ma was also a little surprised. After a moment's pause, he said, "Of course I've seen this."

"After all, there hasn't been such a profound movie in China for many years. It directly hits the pain points of medical treatment and has attracted widespread attention from the whole society."

There was a hint of praise in Jack Ma's tone, and his expression was very serious, as if it came from the heart.

However, Wang Donglai could tell that Jack Ma didn't really think so.

This answer is not sincere.

"Mr. Ma, who do you think is the culprit for this phenomenon in this movie, or who has done the most evil?"

Wang Donglai didn't care and asked further.

Jack Ma was about to answer, but when the words came to his lips, he noticed Wang Donglai's expression and swallowed his answer.

He thought for a moment before speaking out, "Everyone has their own answer to this question. The patient is not wrong, and the government is not wrong. Cracking down on counterfeit drugs is not only to protect the interests of genuine drugs, but more importantly to crack down on those counterfeit drug dealers who engage in fraud."

"The pharmaceutical research and development companies are not at fault. If they hadn't developed the new drug, there would be no cure for this disease. As for the high price, it's just a market issue."

"With few sources of disease, high R&D costs, and a short patent period, the only option is to raise the price."

"It is wrong for India to produce generic drugs, infringe patents, sell them, and affect the sales of genuine products, but it is not the main issue."

"After checking in this way, the result is very obvious."

Jack Ma did not give a direct answer. Both of them are smart people and there is no need to make it so clear.

Wang Donglai showed a trace of seriousness on his face, and said, "Boss Ma, I have another question. Does Boss Ma think there is any way to change this situation?"

Jack Ma did not hesitate and shook his head to deny it.

"There is no way to change this situation. The cost of developing new drugs for pharmaceutical companies is huge. The process of launching new drugs is complicated and time-consuming. In addition, there are so many types of diseases in the world that we are lucky to have medicine. For many diseases, there is no effective medicine. That is really hopeless."

After hearing Jack Ma's answer, Wang Donglai said nothing.

"Mr. Ma, I have one last question."

"What do you think we can achieve in this era? We are only a dozen years into this century, and there are still several decades to go. Can humans leave the earth? Or can we achieve a leap in technology, explosive growth in productivity, and a comprehensive solution to the poverty problem regardless of race, skin color, or country, and eliminate hunger worldwide, bringing human civilization into a new stage?"

Jack Ma's eyes narrowed suddenly, and a hint of thought flashed across his eyes as he looked at Wang Donglai.

"Boss Wang, why do you ask such a grand question?"

Wang Donglai said calmly, "I just want to talk to Mr. Ma. This issue is very important to me!"

Jack Ma looked at Wang Donglai deeply, and after a moment's silence, he said, "The future is bright, but the road is tortuous!"

"Boss Ma, there are only you and me here, there is no need to play tricks."

Wang Donglai frowned and spoke.

"Hey, Mr. Wang, what should I say when you ask me this..."

"Leaving the Earth and heading for the Milky Way is indeed a beautiful phrase. Emotionally, I believe no one would reject this slogan. However, anyone with a little bit of common sense knows that it is very difficult to achieve this."

"Compared to interstellar development, solving poverty on a global scale seems simple."

“But it’s still a difficult thing!”

"People are different. Beauty, height, weight, and other things are inherently different and cannot be changed."

“There is a difference between a hard-working, intelligent person who lives a good life with his own abilities and a lazy, stupid person.”

"If these two people live the same life, then who will work hard?"

"To be more realistic, it is the development of society. There will never be absolute equality and absolute fairness in the past, present and future."

"Some people say that birth, aging, illness and death are fair to everyone. Is this true? It makes some sense, but not completely."

"For the same disease, poor people don't have money to see a doctor, so they can only endure it. If they endure it, they can live a few more years, but they still have to endure the pain. But rich people can find the best doctors, use the best medicines, and use the best equipment. Even if the disease cannot be cured, they can live a few more years."

"I'm not making this up, this is the truth."

"One pill of Li Jiacheng's medicine is worth two million. He Hongchen lives in the best hospital in Hong Kong and receives top medical services. One injection is worth one million and is given every week."

"The oil tycoon Rockefeller of the Bald Eagle had six hearts replaced to sustain his life."

"People are selfish. A lofty ideal is indeed attractive, but it is also against human nature, so it is extremely difficult to achieve."

“To completely eliminate hunger and poverty, it is not just about improving productivity, but more importantly, it is about improving educational thinking.”

"Otherwise, even if bread can grow in the ground, people will still starve to death."

Hearing Jack Ma say this, Wang Donglai sneered and said, "I understand what Mr. Ma means."

“It just means that people are different, just like the assets of the rich are never money, but the assets of the poor.”

“If the rich want to maintain the best life and have the best and most meticulous services, it does not depend on making a lot of money, but on having enough poor people.”

"Because as long as there are poor people, the money of the rich will have value, and the poor who are eager for money will be tempted by money and work like slaves."

“People do have selfish tendencies, but that doesn’t mean human nature can’t change.”

Jack Ma didn't seem surprised by what Wang Donglai said.

"Boss Wang, I knew you would say that."

"I understand your idea. You want to bring what you read into real life."

“Share the fruits of the company’s development with employees, get rich with employees, treat employees well, and provide them with high welfare and salary levels.”

"On the surface, there is nothing wrong with doing this."

"However, you have overlooked what the core of Galaxy Technology is. It is not the headlines, the content, the review team of tens of thousands of people, or the employees of Galaxy Technology who come to and leave work on time."

"It's the intelligent algorithm that you wrote, Mr. Wang. It's because of this algorithm that products like Toutiao and Neihan can occupy a large market share."

"It is precisely because you have developed a number of leading technologies that the market valuation of Galaxy Technology has been pushed up."

"It can be said that Galaxy Technology has grown to its current level thanks to your technology."

"If you distribute according to work, you should get that much wealth for the work you do." "But you still give Galaxy Technology's employees such high salaries and such good benefits."

"They completely distributed their own profits to the employees below them. The salary level they received actually exceeded the value they actually created."

"I don't think Mr. Wang will refute this point."

Jack Ma said with confidence.

Wang Donglai's expression remained calm, and he said, "Boss Ma, what you said does make sense."

"However, I have some ideas. Mr. Ma is knowledgeable and experienced. How about we talk about them together?"

Jack Ma didn't say much, just nodded to show his agreement.

"Mr. Ma has probably been to most countries in the world. I think he should have a good understanding of international situations. Our domestic books say that we are a socialist country with distinctive characteristics, and the West is full of capitalist countries."

"Mr. Ma has visited so many countries. Do you think this is right?"

Jack Ma hesitated for a moment, but nodded in approval.

Wang Donglai shook his head and said, "Boss Ma, you are wrong."

"I don't think so. Mr. Ma has certainly been to the Nordic countries. The whole world knows that the Nordic countries are developed countries with high welfare."

"But I think many people can't explain why Nordic countries can become developed countries and have such high welfare for their residents."

“And this question, in my opinion, is very simple.”

“The Nordic countries are capitalist countries on paper, but in reality they are socialist countries with Nordic characteristics.”

"His high welfare benefits are not based on anything else but a phrase that has been used too much, that is, making the pie bigger."

"In economics, the upper limit of social and economic development is determined by effective demand. What is effective demand?"

"For example, I just graduated from school and went to work. I shared a house with someone for 600 yuan a month. I wanted to buy a house of my own, but the average price per square meter in Tangdu was more than 7,000 yuan. I wanted to buy a house, which is called demand, but I couldn't afford it, which is called ineffective demand."

"Effective demand means that I want to buy something and I can afford it, such as grilled sausages on the roadside."

"Uneven distribution and the emergence of a gap between the rich and the poor are beneficial in certain periods of economic development, but when the gap between the rich and the poor reaches a certain level, effective demand is greatly compressed, and the upper limit of social development becomes lower."

"Mr. Ma is worth hundreds of billions, which is the annual GDP of a third-tier city. With so much money, Mr. Ma will not buy a house in every city, or a few hundred or a thousand cars. How much can he spend every year?"

"In my opinion, the most important thing for rich people to do is to spend their money through investment or through consumption."

“Only when money circulates can it have value, society can be vibrant, and the economy can function properly.”

"If a rich person is unwilling to spend lavishly and advertises himself as frugal all day long, spending tens of thousands of yuan every year, this may seem frugal, but in fact it is extremely harmful."

"If you spend 10 million on one person, the economic scale he drives is very small."

"But if the 10 million is distributed to 1,000 people, and each person has 10,000 yuan, then they will buy more things, including daily necessities, food, and handicrafts, which will drive more employment."

"The rich have money but don't have much consumption demand, while the poor have consumption demand but don't have money. If this continues for a long time, the economy will inevitably have problems."

Jack Ma narrowed his eyes and did not interrupt. He wanted to hear what Wang Donglai wanted to say.

Wang Donglai did not stop, but continued: "When many people mention Northern Europe, they will say that Northern Europe is a resource-rich country with a small population, so the per capita population is high, so it can afford high welfare. This is wrong."

"I believe everyone knows the coal content in Xishan Province, but the pension for farmers in Xishan Province is less than 100 yuan a month, and the welfare is almost zero."

"In economics, this situation is called a resource trap. The more resource-rich a country is, the poorer its people become. This is true in the Middle East, North Africa and other regions."

“Resources can easily lead to the concentration of wealth. It is very difficult to solve this problem.”

Jack Ma interrupted Wang Donglai and said, "Mr. Wang, maybe you have never been to Northern Europe, so you don't know that the tax burden in Northern Europe is extremely heavy."

Wang Donglai smiled and said, "Mr. Ma, I know that taxes in Northern Europe are very high, but from the perspective of the Northern European economy, this is reasonable."

"While the tax burden is heavy, it is also transformed into a universal welfare benefit, thus forming a positive cycle. Residents dare to spend money and have money to spend, businesses make money and pay taxes, and all the money is used to improve residents' sense of happiness."

"This model is not perfect. The people who will be most affected by the impact of the interests are probably the top wealthy people and capitalists. Under this model, it is impossible for wealth to be concentrated on a super large scale."

"If it were in China, Mr. Ma's wealth would shrink by 90%, let alone 99%, which would not affect his quality of life. But if that money were distributed, it would help many families get out of poverty and provide much economic growth."

"There are many phenomena in economics, such as deflation, inflation, and overcapacity. These phenomena do exist, but it's not that there are no solutions. It's just that the solutions require a price and it's difficult to make a decision."

Jack Ma's face had turned dark at this time.

It was really because what Wang Dong said was too heartbreaking and also too rebellious.

It is obvious that Wang Donglai is also a billionaire with a net worth of hundreds of billions. No matter how you look at it, he and Jack Ma are of the same class.

As a result, Wang Donglai said such words that betrayed his own class.

Holding back his anger, Jack Ma retorted, "The high welfare in Northern Europe will only breed lazy people, making them unproductive, and they will eventually fall behind."

"In this environment of universal welfare, no one would think much about creating wealth. After all, people are lazy."

The smile on Wang Donglai's face became more and more intense, but the contempt in his eyes when he looked at Jack Ma became more obvious.

"Mr. Ma, do you think high welfare will lead to the general public lying flat and fewer people creating wealth?"

"This is clearly a prejudice. Northern Europe has been implementing high welfare for many years, and the situation is obvious to all."

"If we provide high welfare benefits to all people, we will think that they will not work hard and will just lie down and do nothing. This kind of groundless speculation and suspicion is itself immoral."

"The correct moral concept under high welfare benefits should be that if you enjoy such high benefits and such good welfare, you should work harder to contribute to society, be more diligent, do more valuable work, and create more wealth."

"I have reason to believe that in a highly developed and high-welfare society, such moral sentiments are normal and common."

"On the contrary, those who rely on high welfare but are selfish are a minority."

"Mr. Ma, you just mentioned human nature. Subconsciously thinking that human nature is evil is a kind of prejudice."

"Human nature is good. If a society has high welfare, is full of love and fairness, then I believe more people will become better. This is a positive feedback."

"In a society where people are hell, people are highly exploited, and people are under extreme pressure, human nature will only become more evil, and the moral level will only drop lower and lower, breaking the bottom line."

"That's why I want to share the money. I'm doing a big social experiment."

"I want to see what kind of changes will happen to Galaxy Technology's employees after they are free from the heavy pressure of life and survival. Will it inspire the goodness of human nature and make everything better?"

After hearing this, Jack Ma was stunned. He looked at Wang Donglai with disbelief, and even suspected that he had heard it wrong. (End of this chapter)