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Chapter 184 Roosevelt taught Zhu Houzhao how to liberate productivity! Sixteen worries about group harmony!
Demographic advantage.

Big country.

Zhu Houzhao didn't feel this deeply.

Because both the Tang Dynasty and the Ming Dynasty have always been big countries with this kind of population advantage.

He was born with the mentality of a great nation.

But what now subverts his understanding is that the Tang Dynasty and the Ming Dynasty are obviously as populous countries as the United States. The national wealth of the United States, such as the output of food and steel, exceeds theirs by hundreds of times.

The food has been known to be high-yielding potatoes and sweet potatoes, plus some technological factors.

But the steel and the weapons given by Lincoln cannot be the same population. The gap is still so big, right?
Can technological factors make up for this?

Then, the more important point is that more people will collect more taxes, which goes against Zhu Houzhao's cognition.

It is known that the Ming Dynasty has basically experienced no military disasters since at least the first year of his father's Hongzhi, no...the reign of his grandfather Chenghua.

It is called the prosperous age, so the population must be growing.

However, the Ming Dynasty's fiscal revenue has been declining continuously over the years. Even when his father passed away, there was no money for the funeral. This is funny.

In addition, large numbers of people are actually a trouble for Ming Dynasty.

For example, if there are too many vassal kings, the land will not be enough to divide.

All the land in the country has been registered in the fish scale register, and there is absolutely no excess.

Instead, starting from Washington, the United States expanded its territory bit by bit, ensuring a sufficient supply of land. Only with so much land can it accommodate such a large population.

The national conditions are still different.

However, absorbing immigrants...

It seems that we can learn from this aspect. Although there are enough people in the Ming Dynasty, it is often difficult to collect taxes, which also puts a lot of pressure on them. They already have a huge burden on them.

If we absorb the Portuguese and Spanish from all over the world and collect taxes specifically from them, it seems that this aspect can indeed increase the court's finances.

But... these foreigners have undoubtedly robbed the interests of the people of Ming Dynasty.

So... if you want more people, you still need to open up new land and territory. For example, get the potatoes and sweet potatoes that Cleveland mentioned, let them plant them around Daming, and let them pay tribute or taxes.

Only in this way can the overall wealth of Ming Dynasty be increased!

Zhu Houzhao slowly figured out the direction in which population growth would be beneficial to the Ming Dynasty.

By then, there may be no need for him to push. When the people in the country see foreign barbarians farming and making money outside, they will definitely take action. Ming Dynasty only needs to block these customs exits and wait to collect money.

[Tang Xizong Li Xuan: Cleveland, can you give me those potatoes and sweet potatoes of yours? I feel that we also need these high-yielding grains! In addition, although I don’t understand what you and Roosevelt said, a large population produces a lot of wealth. But I also realized a problem... You, the United States, have attracted outside people to farm the land. The more people there are, the more food they produce. From small to large, it will become stronger and bigger in almost a hundred years, which will naturally increase the national wealth. 】

[This is an inevitable process. 】

[But our Tang Dynasty is different. As soon as I was born, we had so many people and so much land. 】

[It is already the strongest in the surrounding area, and there seems to be no room for growth. And the larger the population, the greater the burden it seems! As land annexation becomes more serious, it will further reduce and shrink the country's wealth. Even wars arising out of competition for profit will lead to a decline in national strength. 】

[This question seems to be contrary to what you described. 】

Zhu Houzhao decisively raised key issues. The United States has grown from small to large... For Zhu Houzhao, he has witnessed such growth.

But based on reality, the Ming Dynasty and the Tang Dynasty have already reached the state of such great powers, and there seems to be no reference for them.

On the contrary, the Ming and Tang Dynasties, and even all the feudal dynasties in the East.

The problems encountered are how to transform the huge population advantage into a real demographic dividend under limited land conditions.

If it cannot be transformed, it becomes a burden.

The more people there are, the more serious land annexation will be, which will accelerate the collapse of the dynasty.

Obviously, Zhu Houzhao has realized the main contradiction of productivity.

[Meliezu Louis XVI: Yes, yes! Cleveland, Roosevelt, the wealth growth brought about by this population growth you describe is fundamentally different from ours! We have passed the stage of increasing national wealth brought about by population growth! At present, the problem is that there is not enough land, food, and money in the country. 】

[The more people there are, the more trouble we in France will have! 】

After Zhu Houzhao reminded him, Louis XVI also realized this problem.

Their situation is different from that of the United States.

[Meshi Zu Lincoln: Well...it seems to be the truth. Whether it is France or His Majesty Li's country, they are already naturally great countries. Our advantage in America's population growth is actually a disadvantage for them. 】

The speeches of the two men also made Lincoln realize that the patterns were different.

[American Taizu Washington: It seems that we are not qualified to interrupt this question? 】

[Meixuanzong Jackson: Yes, I have a population of just over 10 million... It’s up to you, Cleveland, to answer this question. 】

Others, such as Washington, Jefferson, and Jackson, can no longer participate in this topic.

Because the United States where they are located is not worthy of being called a big country, it has not encountered this trouble for the time being, and it does not have this vision.

[American Yingzong Cleveland: This...let me think about it, let me think about it. Your Majesty Li, you really asked me this question. 】

Cleveland didn't know for a moment whether he was stumped or unable to react and needed to think.

[Merceron Roosevelt: Your Majesties, let me answer the question you asked. In fact, this is also the problem we are facing in the United States right now. Our land has been exhausted and developed, but there are still more and more immigrants. Coupled with the monopoly productivity of various monopoly groups, we are actually facing the pressure of overpopulation. 】

However, Roosevelt suddenly took over the topic.

[Merceron Roosevelt: What President Cleveland just described is indeed a positive effect brought about by population growth. At this stage, it is true that the more people there are, the stronger the country becomes. It is based on the fact that the United States has sufficient land for westward expansion, and there is also a huge labor gap caused by industrial development. 】

[But as the land is consumed, the productivity of the factory is fully developed, and the monopoly group develops. We also inevitably enter the next stage: the pressure brought by population growth. Therefore, in fact, at this time, we are deliberately controlling immigration and deliberately avoiding excessive population growth. 】

[In this case, we must ensure that the interests of real citizens of the United States are not harmed. 】

It was also from the time of Cleveland and even Grant that the United States began to exclude Chinese and some people of color, intentionally or unintentionally.

This is an inevitable choice when entering the stock era. When there are more people, there will be involution. This is the law everywhere.

[Tang Xizong Li Xuan: Oh, Roosevelt, do you have any idea? 】

Zhu Houzhao's eyes lit up and he was looking forward to Roosevelt's speech.

[Messezon Roosevelt: I guess so. Your Majesty Li, please listen to me slowly. Now we all seem to be encountering the contradiction of population growth in large countries, so we want to ensure that our country's wealth continues to grow and we want to maintain the dividends brought by population growth. 】

[There are only two ways and two ways. 】

[Let’s start with our United States. 】

[First, internally, eliminate monopolies, further release job opportunities, and reduce the squeeze of monopolies. In other words... we must take action against interest groups and let them come up with something to share with everyone. The other is to continue to increase the research and development of high-tech products, continue to liberate productivity, and find new profit growth points. 】

[Another aspect is external relations! The first is to sell our domestic products to other countries as much as possible, continue to operate the country's factories at high speed, and continue to absorb more people. The second is to learn from the British colonial model that the sun never sets, and start to launch foreign wars, and continue to seize newly arrived land and resources to consume the growing population. 】

【There are only two roads. 】

[This is the path we in the United States have taken before and the path we will continue to take in the future. 】

[However, there are many difficulties. As I have said and discussed internally before, it is very difficult and very risky to take action against the Rockefeller and Morgan families. The other is to step up the research and development of new products and open up new markets. This is also difficult and even requires luck. 】

[For the outside world, it’s even more difficult for us. 】

[The colonies of Britain, France, Russia and Germany have basically carved up the world, and it is difficult to find a super market the size of our United States elsewhere. Now...the only thing left is the Eastern Qing Empire. Because of their weakness, they have the potential to become a colony...Coupled with the super market of 3 to 5 million people in Asia, it is enough for us in the United States to usher in a new growth point . 】

[Therefore, based on the contradiction between population growth and productivity growth, we must suppress various domestic contradictions and actively participate in this final wave of partition. Only in this way can we in the United States continue to grow! 】

As Roosevelt talked, he again talked about the difficulties he was currently facing.

[Li Xuan, Emperor Xizong of Tang Dynasty: Externally? Our Tang Dynasty is open to the outside world... Anxi, Anton, and Yanran Protectorate are all there, and there is also vast land, but in the end we couldn't use it and had to abandon it. 】

Zhu Houzhao suddenly understood Roosevelt's idea of ​​walking on two legs and brought him into the glorious period of the Tang Dynasty. This was in line with the development path of the United States.

But after the An-Shi Rebellion, the control of the Tang Dynasty weakened and it became useless.

On the contrary, more generals, eyeing the fertile land in Chang'an, Luoyang and the Central Plains, continued to carry out fierce land annexation, entering an era of stagnant growth, and then inevitably declined more and more.

Under this issue, Zhu Houzhao didn't even think about whether the United States wanted to carve up the Qing Empire.

[Messezon Roosevelt: This is about the limitations of your ancient dynasty. You cannot copy our American solutions for the time being. 】

[But you don’t have to worry! This is very simple for me. 】

[You two ancient great countries are more able to solve the problem of wealth growth brought about by population growth than we are in the United States. 】

[It’s still the two methods I mentioned. 】

[Internally: The same goes for Louis XVI and His Majesty Li. Taking decisive action against the interest classes is very risky and relatively difficult. His Majesty Louis XVI could do all this without going to the guillotine. 】

[Louis XVI, Meiliège: After all, I beg you not to mention the guillotine. Roosevelt, please. 】

Louis XVI, who was listening carefully, was caught off guard by the connotation and protested resentfully again.

[Merceron Roosevelt: Haha, just using an analogy, just kidding. 】

Roosevelt smiled slightly, apologized smoothly, and continued.

[Anyway, solving the domestic aristocracy and interest classes is very dangerous. Try not to do it if you can. Especially for your majesties, both of whom are not doing their jobs properly, doing so will be a challenge to you and may cost you your life. 】

He was also very considerate and fully considered their personalities.

He really moved me.

Zhu Houzhao even liked Roosevelt, a considerate guy.

He didn't interrupt and continued listening.

[Merezu Louis XVI: Roosevelt, you are quite considerate, I was almost touched. 】

Louis XVI couldn't help saying something strange.

[Merceron Roosevelt: Haha, you're welcome, Your Majesty Louis XVI. Let me continue. For you, another simple way that is not easy to kill is: liberate productivity! 】

[Li Xuan, Emperor Xizong of the Tang Dynasty: Liberate productivity? 】

[Merezu Louis XVI: Liberate productivity? 】

This is a new word after all, and Zhu Houzhao and Louis XVI both cheered up. Although the Industrial Revolution occurred during the period of Louis XVI, everyone in the world was still ignorant in this environment.

The old horse hasn't even been born yet.

[Mercerson Roosevelt: Yes, it is to liberate productivity. You may not be able to understand this word, and President Washington and Jefferson may not be able to understand it either. Anyway, let me give you an example. For example, His Majesty Li mentioned that he wants potatoes and sweet potatoes. Wanting these high-yielding grains is also a form of liberating productivity. 】

[Originally, growing 10,000 kilograms of grain may require dozens of farmers, but with potatoes and sweet potatoes, only one farmer is needed. Does it mean that dozens of other farmers are idle? These dozens of farmers, who originally produced food, can be regarded as the labor force that produces food. 】

Zhu Houzhao understood immediately.

[Tang Xizong Li Xuan: Is this called liberating productivity? But if one farmer could handle so much land, wouldn't the other dozen farmers become refugees and be more likely to cause trouble? Moreover, one person can produce so much food, so it is easier for the landlords and wealthy families to gather these refugees and turn them into an army! This seems to be a threat to us too! 】

After Roosevelt's reminder, Zhu Houzhao was inspired and thought that such a problem might really arise if he suddenly got high-yield grain.

Moreover, it is bound to happen!
When Zhu Houzhao thought about this, he broke into a cold sweat behind his back.

[Messe Zong Roosevelt: Your Majesty, you are right to worry! But... hear me out first, maybe your situation will happen. But the state can provide guidance, for example, by arming the dozen or so extra peasants and starting a war. This is probably the simplest way. 】

[Li Xuan, Emperor Xizong of the Tang Dynasty: Why are there so many battles to be fought... This will make it easier for generals to become more powerful outside, such as our military governors. 】

There is no way. It is not good to have a long history. It is a negative lesson.

Zhu Houzhao almost subconsciously thought of this possibility.

[ Mercer Roosevelt: Haha, Your Majesty, isn’t it good to fight? You, China, have thousands of years of history, but you are still at war. 】

[Meili Zong Grant: Yes, I can prove this. Their war history can last for days and nights, and... they are especially good at recording defeats. I am always asked how they failed in the Opium War. 】

Grant couldn't help but bubble up.

[Tang Xizong Li Xuan: Let’s stop now, Roosevelt, you continue. 】

Zhu Houzhao realized that he should not interrupt and decisively shut up again.

[Merceron Roosevelt: OK, I'll continue. War is the simplest and crudest way to consume excess labor and productivity. What's more, many citizens actually don't want to go to war. It would be such a waste to treat labor and productivity this way. Continuing to take these idle farmers as an example, if they can no longer grow food, will they consider doing other things, such as going to the city to make a living? Try your luck at sea? And...the simplest thing is, do the redundant farmers have spare labor to engage in other divisions of labor...]

[For example, growing cotton, logging...weaving, breeding, building houses, building roads, canals, seeing doctors...investing in education, putting their excess energy on food, clothing, housing and transportation, and changing their lives? 】

[For example...Your Majesty Li, your standard of living must be very high and top-notch. So if a farmer... can live one thousandth or one ten thousandth of your life, what else does he need? If hundreds of thousands or millions of farmers can live one thousandth of your life, will this require a lot of idle labor? 】

[Is it okay for surplus farmers to continue to produce surplus silk and breed more beef? 】

[Also, your palace must be very glorious. Would it be okay if we used this excess labor to build such a palace in each of your cities? 】

This……

Roosevelt's description completely stunned Zhu Houzhao.

He really didn't expect that he could still play like this!

This time, his horizons were really opened completely.

[Li Xuan, Emperor Xizong of the Tang Dynasty: Is this the liberation of productivity? 】

[Louis XVI: Build a Palace of Versailles in every city! Is this liberating productivity? 】

Both of them understood that there was nothing they could do. Roosevelt said it plainly and straightforwardly enough.

[Merceron Roosevelt: Yes! This is to liberate productivity! But the premise is... if you liberate the farmers, if you liberate the farmers... you must have sufficient food. All of this is based on sufficient food! 】

[Your Majesty Li, you just wanted to ask President Cleveland for sweet potatoes and potatoes. I can't help you with this...but I can give you directions. You only need to spend a few years to go to North America! 】

[In addition... sweet potatoes and potatoes are only basic food security and cannot rapidly increase national wealth. Instead, on this basis, excess labor must be used to carry out the early industrial revolution. To liberate more productivity, first Develop your domestic market. For example...making steam engines, improving Jenny machines, opening factories, making steel, iron and oil...First upgrade all your domestic clothing, food, housing and transportation. 】

[This takes a certain amount of time and there are some technological barriers. But it’s not a problem. With the chat group, I can help you step by step. 】

Roosevelt completely transformed into Santa Claus and showed Zhu Houzhao a bright road!
All this made Zhu Houzhao enlightened, and he suddenly became enlightened, and his impression of Roosevelt gradually increased.

[American Yingzong Cleveland: Um...Roosevelt, sweet potatoes and potatoes...Okay, you finish first. 】

At this moment, Cleveland wanted to remind Roosevelt that the items could be delivered directly, but he thought of interrupting the conversation and did not say it after all.

[Merceron Roosevelt: OK! This is the inward route! In fact... it takes a long time, and the operation is actually no less than directly attacking interest groups, which is equivalent to the transformation of the entire society. I don’t know if Your Majesty Li can withstand it. If you are not careful, you may even directly confront Louis X. The same as His Majesty Six...]

[You want to truly transform the population advantage into national wealth! 】

[It’s okay without potatoes or sweet potatoes! 】

【Only to the outside world! 】

[You must wage foreign wars and colonize foreign countries! It is necessary to occupy a lot of land and fertile land outside your country, so that your excessive population will be cultivated and raised outside to supply domestic supplies. This is actually the easiest for you two countries... especially the Tang Empire! 】

[Of course, as long as potatoes and sweet potatoes are found during this process, this will definitely be another terrifying growth point for your empire! 】

[With the support of sweet potatoes and potatoes, you can slowly start the industrial revolution to liberate productivity. In this way, you can perfectly solve the pressure brought by your population growth. On the contrary, the more the population, the stronger your country will be, and it will eventually become Japan's Do not fall into the empire! It became an empire on which the sun never sets earlier than the UK! 】

In one breath, Roosevelt gave a plan to bring positive growth to the population growth that troubled Datang and France!

Especially for the Tang Empire, after finishing such a plan, Roosevelt couldn't help but think about it. Datang had no idea how to lose after getting his plan!
This is the ultimate plan for Louis XVI and Zhu Houzhao, especially Zhu Houzhao.

[Merceron Roosevelt: Your Majesty, my plan is easy to understand and implement, so it should be no problem. 】

After speaking, Roosevelt wanted positive feedback and praise.

This plan will definitely shock His Majesty the Tang Dynasty in the West.

However, he did not receive a shock from the East, but Cleveland poured cold water on him.

[American Yingzong Cleveland: Yes...Roosevelt, you said it very well! Roosevelt...you are so happy...Have you ever thought about it, if His Majesty Li and others develop like this, is it possible that we will all have to speak Chinese in the future? In the 8th century AD, they were a unified Eastern country with tens of millions of people. Can the Eastern Roman Empire and the Frankish Kingdom resist? 】

[When they occupy the Americas, where will our country be founded? 】

There is a big traitor among us!

Cleveland couldn't even stop Roosevelt.

In the middle, he even wanted to interrupt Roosevelt and tell him to shut up.

It's a pity that I can't stop it.

[Merceron Roosevelt: Huh? 】

Roosevelt was dumbfounded.

Haha, Zhu Houzhao sneered, this Cleveland deserves a beating! Ought to be banned!

He already had a solution to this problem, but he just didn't want to talk about it on purpose.

[Merceron Roosevelt: This, this is not the case, is it? President Cleveland, isn’t this a topic that everyone can speak freely about? 】

Roosevelt decisively realized his mistake and why Cleveland did not answer.

[Milejo Louis XVI: Haha, Cleveland, look at how stingy you are! What do you mean we can't stop it? Is it possible that the emperor of the Eastern Roman Empire will also come by then? Our Frankish Majesty Charles is also here, and it’s not certain who will win by then! 】

Louis XVI retorted directly, not understanding Cleveland's fear of the East.

[Meili Zong Grant: No, Cleveland, I feel like I don’t quite understand these things. Your Majesty Li, does he understand? Also, didn’t he only live 27 years old? And... I just heard from people here that this Majesty Li is not very good at governing the country. His imperial capital was about to be captured by General Huang Chao... He is running away again. 】

[Also, I actually heard them say that the Tang Empire... was a very open and tolerant empire. They had foreigners as officials very early on. 】

Grant couldn't help but say something fair.

The new guys... haven't been affected by Cleveland yet.

[Mercy Lincoln: Cleveland, you're here again. 】

Lincoln was speechless.

[American Yingzong Cleveland: It's okay, I just assumed that Roosevelt, you don't need to care. Your Majesty, Roosevelt said so much, do you understand? 】

Perhaps realizing that another taboo had been violated, Cleveland quickly changed the subject.

[Li Xuan, Emperor Xizong of the Tang Dynasty: Haha, I don’t understand! Roosevelt, you make it seem like I'm in a lot of trouble. According to what you said, I seem to have a lot of things to do... I might as well play more polo games. 】

Zhu Houzhao sneered again and again, holding the small notebook again to remember the ugly face of Cleveland.

Datang couldn't do it, but I understand everything!
[Merceron Roosevelt: Huh? Your Majesty Li... Why don't you play a few more games of polo... Am I saying this in vain? I have said it very simply. 】

Roosevelt felt some unusual atmosphere, and for a moment he wondered if Zhu Houzhao was pretending to be stupid.

[Li Xuan, Emperor Xizong of Tang Dynasty: Really? Some people want me to understand. 】

Zhu Houzhao did not save face for Cleveland.

[Merceron Roosevelt:...]

At this time, Roosevelt felt something was wrong.

[Merezu Louis XVI: Haha...Roosevelt, I also feel that after listening to what you said, I might as well fix the lock. You just talked about the Tang Dynasty, but you just didn’t talk about our problems in France. Internally and externally... Look at the methods you mentioned, which one can I use? 】

At this moment, Louis XVI also jumped out, feeling the familiar differences within the group.

[Merceron Roosevelt: Huh? This...this is indeed true, but His Majesty Louis XVI, with the temperament of you and Your Majesty Li, even if I give you a way, you won't be able to use it, unless you ask Majesty Napoleon to do it. 】

[Meliezu Louis XVI: Am I just going to be looked down upon by you like this? It's Napoleon again...]

But he didn't expect that he would be caught as soon as he jumped out.

[American Taizu Washington: Haha, Your Majesty Louis XVI, you are still self-aware in this regard. 】

[Meixuanzong Jackson: Your Majesty Louis XVI, it is rare for you to have such a clear understanding. 】

[Mercy Lincoln: Haha, Your Majesty Louis XVI, your head... finally sobered up. 】

Perhaps sensing the unusual atmosphere in the crowd caused by Cleveland, the presidents took cover one after another.

Louis XVI unknowingly acted as an atmosphere adjustment tool again.

Zhu Houzhao was moved by this.

Shiliu really paid a lot for this group.

　Xiao Zhu finally got the answer everyone wanted! Then let yourself go! With 600,000 words, the preparation for this book is almost complete! Keep asking for support and everything!
　　
　
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