Borrow the day to change the day
Chapter 402
Wen Tiren was a few rounds older than Emperor Chongzhen and Zhong Jinwei, and had much richer experience than them, so he thought a little more.
"Your Majesty, I think it is very necessary to send people to investigate the situation in North America in advance. But how will the people sent out get there? Can they arrive? What will happen after they arrive? Will they stay there and never come back?" ? And so on, these things must be considered in detail. Only then can the feudal overseas be officially established, which is a prudent move, and it is absolutely inappropriate to act too hastily."
Wen Tiren looked at Emperor Chongzhen, and asked many questions in succession, causing several audience members to show serious expressions.
Zhong Jinwei felt that he was still thinking simply. It may take years of hard work to achieve success in the feudal overseas affairs of the vassal kings and clans.
Wen Tiren saw that Emperor Chongzhen showed a thoughtful expression after listening to his words, and explained one by one: "Your Majesty, look at this world map. There are two ways to go to North America. One is to take a boat directly from the coast of Daming , go up along the coastline, and then reach the narrowest point of the two continents, cross the ocean, and reach the other end is considered a success. The second road is from the land to the extreme east through Liaodong, and then choose a port to take a boat To the other side of the ocean."
When Wen Tiren said this, he was afraid that Emperor Chongzhen would not know the advantages and disadvantages of the two roads because he had never been out of the capital, so he continued to explain: "Your Majesty, a boat sailing on the ocean depends on the wind and the direction of the ocean current. It is difficult to move an inch. In addition, in case of violent storms, the ship is also in danger of capsizing. Therefore, relatively speaking, if you can go by land, you can reduce a lot of danger. But at present, Liaodong is still in the hands of Jianlu, and it is impossible to go. It is still necessary to destroy Jian Only after the captivity."
Emperor Chongzhen really didn't know this, and he couldn't help frowning when he heard that the ocean was so dangerous.According to what Wen Shoufu said, if he wanted to send people to North America, he could only take the risk by sea.
Wen Tiren noticed Emperor Chongzhen's expression, and was afraid that the words would be serious, and Emperor Chongzhen would retreat.
This is not his original intention. It is his wish to feudalize all the clan overseas, how could he not do this!
The reason why he said this was just to let the two young people, Emperor Chongzhen and Marquis Zhongxing, know how difficult this matter was, and everything was based on stability, and it was carried out step by step.
Therefore, Wen Tiren changed his tone and played again: "Your Majesty, although there is still a ban on the sea, there are still many people who live in the sea. They are familiar with the ocean, although it may be a sea route that has never been traveled before." , As long as you are careful, you should be fine. Also, during the Yongle period of my Ming Dynasty, the Sanbao eunuch went to the West, and I also traveled to the Far West, which is not far away compared to going to North America."
Emperor Chongzhen naturally knew about Zheng He's voyages to the West. With such a precedent, he couldn't help but feel relieved, and his frowning brows slowly eased.
However, Zhong Jinwei heard Wen Tiren's attitude from Wen Tiren's words, and he was overjoyed, knowing that the chief minister of Ming Dynasty supported this.Now he said that the specific difficulties are nothing serious. Anyway, if there are difficulties, they will be solved, and if there are no difficulties, they will be created.
Wen Tiren then turned his head to look at Zhong Jinwei, and then asked, "Marquis Zhongxing, do you know the situation along the coast of North America, such as terrain, climate, ocean currents, and local indigenous people?"
When Zhong Jinwei heard this, he was blinded.He thought to himself that he would just be a wage earner in his future life, and he would have the opportunity to travel to the west coast of North America.Besides, the later generations and the present have long been different, so it is useless to go to the west coast.And the Indians, in later generations, were almost massacred by the whites.
He shook his head and answered Wen Tiren: "It's been more than 400 years, and they have already changed beyond recognition. The local Indians were also killed by white people from Europe, that is, Westerners. But I know that Indians are People of the same race as us have yellow skin and black eyes. According to the research in my hometown, the ancestors of the Indians are Yin people, or earlier."
Wen Tiren nodded, understanding the situation.He turned back to look at Emperor Chongzhen and said, "Your Majesty, the number of people sent out to explore the road should not be too small. There are a lot of aboriginals over there now, and it is difficult to distinguish friends from enemies. If there are fewer people sent over, in case The local natives are still hostile, and they may not come back."
Emperor Chongzhen nodded, this is understandable.
"However, if more people are sent out, the fleet will become huge, and the logistics will be a lot more complicated. And if there are too many people going to North America, if they build up their own country there, no longer Return, how should we deal with this?" Wen Tiren immediately asked another question.
There are so many problems!Emperor Chongzhen frowned again thinking about it.
Zhong Jinwei came up with a solution to Wen Tiren's problem: "Lord Wen, this should be solved. All the people sent out must have families and stay in the mainland. In this way, there are only a few who can abandon their families occasionally. There are heterogeneous people in North America, but most people will not agree. In this way, the situation you mentioned should not happen."
Wen Tiren looked at Zhong Jinwei, nodded and said, "Okay, this is the only way for now."
Emperor Chongzhen looked at Zhong Jinwei with flickering eyes.Master Zhong proposed this method, and it seems that at least he thinks this method is effective.In other words, Master Zhong is not a person who will abandon his family.
Wen Tiren turned to Emperor Chongzhen and said, "Your Majesty, there is another difficulty. Because of the sea ban, there are few seagoing ships. If there is a large-scale feudalism going overseas in the future, a very large fleet is necessary. Who should pay for this money?" Is it the vassal clan or the imperial court?"
When Emperor Chongzhen heard that Wen Tiren raised the money, he felt a little headache again.This is considered good. If money was mentioned in the past, Emperor Chongzhen would go crazy. Fortunately, he has some money on hand now, so he has the confidence.
Regarding this point, Zhong Jinwei didn't take it seriously, and said to Wen Tiren: "Master Wen, this is nothing, the principle is that whoever uses this boat pays for it. If the prince leaves, the boat will belong to the prince in the future. For For them, the ship is still indispensable. If it comes from the court, it’s no problem, it can be used by the vassal for free for the first time, and it will be rented if it is used again later.”
When Emperor Chongzhen heard this, he asked Zhong Jinwei strangely: "After the vassal king's family has gone to North America, will they come to ask for ships?"
When Zhong Jinwei heard this, he replied with a smile: "Your Majesty, after the vassals arrived in North America, supplies were scarce, and they should need the support of Ming Dynasty for a long time. Until they really gain a foothold in North America, they will have to Ships kept sending supplies there. Of course, if they wanted to create their own from scratch from primitive society, that's fine too."
Emperor Chongzhen also laughed when he heard this. After living the life of Daming now, it is obviously impossible for anyone to let people go to those days of drinking hair and blood.
"If everything needed is shipped from Daming, the fleet will be even bigger. Can the imperial court have the money to build so many ocean-going ships!" Wen Tiren reminded.
Zhong Jinwei looked back at Wen Tiren, and after thinking about it, he smiled and said to Wen Tiren: "It doesn't matter, there is a way to solve it."
"Your Majesty, I think it is very necessary to send people to investigate the situation in North America in advance. But how will the people sent out get there? Can they arrive? What will happen after they arrive? Will they stay there and never come back?" ? And so on, these things must be considered in detail. Only then can the feudal overseas be officially established, which is a prudent move, and it is absolutely inappropriate to act too hastily."
Wen Tiren looked at Emperor Chongzhen, and asked many questions in succession, causing several audience members to show serious expressions.
Zhong Jinwei felt that he was still thinking simply. It may take years of hard work to achieve success in the feudal overseas affairs of the vassal kings and clans.
Wen Tiren saw that Emperor Chongzhen showed a thoughtful expression after listening to his words, and explained one by one: "Your Majesty, look at this world map. There are two ways to go to North America. One is to take a boat directly from the coast of Daming , go up along the coastline, and then reach the narrowest point of the two continents, cross the ocean, and reach the other end is considered a success. The second road is from the land to the extreme east through Liaodong, and then choose a port to take a boat To the other side of the ocean."
When Wen Tiren said this, he was afraid that Emperor Chongzhen would not know the advantages and disadvantages of the two roads because he had never been out of the capital, so he continued to explain: "Your Majesty, a boat sailing on the ocean depends on the wind and the direction of the ocean current. It is difficult to move an inch. In addition, in case of violent storms, the ship is also in danger of capsizing. Therefore, relatively speaking, if you can go by land, you can reduce a lot of danger. But at present, Liaodong is still in the hands of Jianlu, and it is impossible to go. It is still necessary to destroy Jian Only after the captivity."
Emperor Chongzhen really didn't know this, and he couldn't help frowning when he heard that the ocean was so dangerous.According to what Wen Shoufu said, if he wanted to send people to North America, he could only take the risk by sea.
Wen Tiren noticed Emperor Chongzhen's expression, and was afraid that the words would be serious, and Emperor Chongzhen would retreat.
This is not his original intention. It is his wish to feudalize all the clan overseas, how could he not do this!
The reason why he said this was just to let the two young people, Emperor Chongzhen and Marquis Zhongxing, know how difficult this matter was, and everything was based on stability, and it was carried out step by step.
Therefore, Wen Tiren changed his tone and played again: "Your Majesty, although there is still a ban on the sea, there are still many people who live in the sea. They are familiar with the ocean, although it may be a sea route that has never been traveled before." , As long as you are careful, you should be fine. Also, during the Yongle period of my Ming Dynasty, the Sanbao eunuch went to the West, and I also traveled to the Far West, which is not far away compared to going to North America."
Emperor Chongzhen naturally knew about Zheng He's voyages to the West. With such a precedent, he couldn't help but feel relieved, and his frowning brows slowly eased.
However, Zhong Jinwei heard Wen Tiren's attitude from Wen Tiren's words, and he was overjoyed, knowing that the chief minister of Ming Dynasty supported this.Now he said that the specific difficulties are nothing serious. Anyway, if there are difficulties, they will be solved, and if there are no difficulties, they will be created.
Wen Tiren then turned his head to look at Zhong Jinwei, and then asked, "Marquis Zhongxing, do you know the situation along the coast of North America, such as terrain, climate, ocean currents, and local indigenous people?"
When Zhong Jinwei heard this, he was blinded.He thought to himself that he would just be a wage earner in his future life, and he would have the opportunity to travel to the west coast of North America.Besides, the later generations and the present have long been different, so it is useless to go to the west coast.And the Indians, in later generations, were almost massacred by the whites.
He shook his head and answered Wen Tiren: "It's been more than 400 years, and they have already changed beyond recognition. The local Indians were also killed by white people from Europe, that is, Westerners. But I know that Indians are People of the same race as us have yellow skin and black eyes. According to the research in my hometown, the ancestors of the Indians are Yin people, or earlier."
Wen Tiren nodded, understanding the situation.He turned back to look at Emperor Chongzhen and said, "Your Majesty, the number of people sent out to explore the road should not be too small. There are a lot of aboriginals over there now, and it is difficult to distinguish friends from enemies. If there are fewer people sent over, in case The local natives are still hostile, and they may not come back."
Emperor Chongzhen nodded, this is understandable.
"However, if more people are sent out, the fleet will become huge, and the logistics will be a lot more complicated. And if there are too many people going to North America, if they build up their own country there, no longer Return, how should we deal with this?" Wen Tiren immediately asked another question.
There are so many problems!Emperor Chongzhen frowned again thinking about it.
Zhong Jinwei came up with a solution to Wen Tiren's problem: "Lord Wen, this should be solved. All the people sent out must have families and stay in the mainland. In this way, there are only a few who can abandon their families occasionally. There are heterogeneous people in North America, but most people will not agree. In this way, the situation you mentioned should not happen."
Wen Tiren looked at Zhong Jinwei, nodded and said, "Okay, this is the only way for now."
Emperor Chongzhen looked at Zhong Jinwei with flickering eyes.Master Zhong proposed this method, and it seems that at least he thinks this method is effective.In other words, Master Zhong is not a person who will abandon his family.
Wen Tiren turned to Emperor Chongzhen and said, "Your Majesty, there is another difficulty. Because of the sea ban, there are few seagoing ships. If there is a large-scale feudalism going overseas in the future, a very large fleet is necessary. Who should pay for this money?" Is it the vassal clan or the imperial court?"
When Emperor Chongzhen heard that Wen Tiren raised the money, he felt a little headache again.This is considered good. If money was mentioned in the past, Emperor Chongzhen would go crazy. Fortunately, he has some money on hand now, so he has the confidence.
Regarding this point, Zhong Jinwei didn't take it seriously, and said to Wen Tiren: "Master Wen, this is nothing, the principle is that whoever uses this boat pays for it. If the prince leaves, the boat will belong to the prince in the future. For For them, the ship is still indispensable. If it comes from the court, it’s no problem, it can be used by the vassal for free for the first time, and it will be rented if it is used again later.”
When Emperor Chongzhen heard this, he asked Zhong Jinwei strangely: "After the vassal king's family has gone to North America, will they come to ask for ships?"
When Zhong Jinwei heard this, he replied with a smile: "Your Majesty, after the vassals arrived in North America, supplies were scarce, and they should need the support of Ming Dynasty for a long time. Until they really gain a foothold in North America, they will have to Ships kept sending supplies there. Of course, if they wanted to create their own from scratch from primitive society, that's fine too."
Emperor Chongzhen also laughed when he heard this. After living the life of Daming now, it is obviously impossible for anyone to let people go to those days of drinking hair and blood.
"If everything needed is shipped from Daming, the fleet will be even bigger. Can the imperial court have the money to build so many ocean-going ships!" Wen Tiren reminded.
Zhong Jinwei looked back at Wen Tiren, and after thinking about it, he smiled and said to Wen Tiren: "It doesn't matter, there is a way to solve it."
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