Huayu started as a substitute director

Chapter 530 A Very Powerful Person

Any celebrity can be interviewed. This interview is freer than a discussion at a meeting and allows one to express one's ideas more clearly.

Because you are the only one speaking, no one can influence you. On the forum, there are opponents who can influence you. If you can't keep up with the pace of your thinking, you will easily be led astray by your opponents, and you won't have that much room for thinking.

There is also a time limit, the words you can say are limited, and there is no time to think.

Just like when Jack Ma listens to him speaking he feels it makes a lot of sense and has substance, but when he thinks about it afterwards it’s bullshit.

An interview is different. You can talk slowly and sort out your thoughts slowly. No one will interrupt you or lead you astray.

In a room with an artistic atmosphere, Liu Qiangdong had a face-to-face interview with a CCTV host.

Liu Qiangdong said directly: "Jack Ma is a big liar. He is very eloquent and speaks very passionately. He likes to stand at the highest point in everything and discuss issues from the perspective of humanity, the country, and society. He is unwilling to discuss the matter with you on a case-by-case basis."

"So what kind of person do you think the principal is?" the host asked.

"Him!" Liu Qiangdong was silent for a moment and said, "The principal seems very down-to-earth. Some of the things he said are more in line with the actual situation. He likes to look at problems from a low level. For example, we still have a lot of poor people, and creating more opportunities for people is very good.

I didn't have much contact with him, so I really don't know what kind of person he is or what he did.

But I know that he is definitely not a bad person. Why? Because I think he can always talk about the lower class and the poor, and would rather offend people like Li Yanhong and Jack Ma, so he is definitely not a bad person. "

This is the first time the host has heard this argument.

It means that if you offend high-level people, you are not bad if you think low-level people are good.

Later, Lei Jun also participated in an exclusive interview. It was a similar environment. Lei Jun was still smiling and looked as cute as ever.

"To be honest, this forum made me sweat a lot. At one point, the host asked me what Xiaomi's future development goals were.
I said that I hope that in five to ten years, Xiaomi will have the opportunity to become the world's number one in the mobile phone industry. I think what I said was quite conservative. Then the host asked an Apple executive, and the executive said that it is always easier said than done.

What they meant was that you might as well give it a try. In such a big occasion, I felt a little embarrassed.

It just so happened that the principal was also at the venue. He was a very capable person. He became the number one in the film and television industry in just a few years and also promoted our film and television works.

He said, don't think too much, just do it, what if you succeed? This sentence is quite encouraging, because you have no way to retreat, the worst that can happen is failure and you will return to the starting point. "

Lei Jun was quite excited when he said this.

I couldn’t say it on stage at that time, but now in the interview I can express my feelings and what I was feeling at that time.

The host Yang Lan smiled and asked, "What do you think of Jack Ma and the principal?"

"They are both very powerful people, and you could say they are both terribly powerful. Jack Ma is the most successful of our new generation of entrepreneurs, which is really amazing.

On the day when Alibaba went public, I believe that the entire Chinese business community and countless entrepreneurs stayed up all night to watch the entire process of Alibaba's listing. They were extremely proud that a Chinese person created the miracle of IPO.

I founded Kingsoft in 88. Baidu, Alibaba, and Tencent were all founded around 99, which is ten years later than us. I can be said to be a grandfather-level figure in this industry.

When the Internet came, everyone felt that we were outdated, marginalized, and eliminated. This comparison mentality was seriously unbalanced. "

Lei Jun was talking about why he was not mentally strong enough when facing Jack Ma.

It is true that he has been doing it for a long enough time, but he has not done it as well as those who came after him, and the psychological gap is very large.

"At first I thought we were not smart enough, saying Jack Ma was 7 times smarter than me and that I was not diligent enough. But later I found that Jack Ma was not as diligent as me. He seemed to be traveling around the world every day, while we were busy 24/, so I was very disappointed.

Finally, I found that the problem was that we didn’t follow the trend and didn’t do things to the point. After I figured it out, I thought about a question: how can I win in the next ten years? So I figured it out, mobile Internet is the future. ”

Lei Jun speaks much more fluently now. Previously, he was a little stiff and paused when discussing on the stage.

"Where is the principal?" asked the host.

"The president gave me a very strong feeling. He is not afraid to face anyone. I admire him very much. I have also read his history. It has only been four or five years since he founded Yutu in 10, which is about the same time as when Xiaomi was founded.

Compared with companies like Huayi, Bona, and Guangxian, the company is more than ten years younger than it was before. But the president took only a few years to turn a company with no foundation into the first in the industry and even made it out of the market. This is really remarkable," Lei Jun exclaimed.

"You are also very powerful. The industry you run is much bigger than his," said the host.

Xiaomi is indeed more powerful than Yutu.

"No, no, no, that's not the comparison. This is a vertical comparison. If you want to compare horizontally, you have to know that when the principal founded Yutu, he had no foundation at all. When I founded Xiaomi, I had tens of billions of dollars in my bank account."

Hearing what Lei Jun said, host Yang Lan laughed and said, "This guy is quite honest."

It means that he started from a high point and Fang Hong started from a low point.

"The characteristics of the film and television industry are destined to be small. It is a project with high investment, long time cycle and high return risk. The plate is there, how big do you think it can be?"

Lei Buston paused and continued, "There is competition in any industry, but the principal can defeat his opponents and become the number one in his field, which means that he is the boss in his field, but I am not. I am still the third, so there is some distance between us.

But being able to be the first in the industry, being able to go global, and being able to bypass many political and cultural barriers is very remarkable.

Cultural products are different from physical products like ours. They need to consider many issues, such as what taboos a country has, what cannot be filmed, and whether it may hurt the national sentiments of that country. There are many issues.

Of course, mobile phones should also be considered, but not so much.

The world outside is very vast. We are just beginning to expand overseas, but the president may have started to expand overseas several years ago, which means he has already seen what he will be like in a few years. "

Lei Jun spoke highly of Fang Hong, and it seemed that he had seen this and studied it seriously.

He seemed somewhat relaxed when talking about the principal, but seemed somewhat heavy when talking about Jack Ma, simply because the principal never put any pressure on him, but Jack Ma put a lot of pressure on him.

"Do you think the principal will surpass you one day in terms of assets and industries?" asked the host.

“It’s hard to say. It depends on how the president’s Chang’e Technology develops in the future. If it develops well, solves the problem of losses, and then finds a new source of revenue, it is possible.

But the future is unpredictable, the market is changing rapidly, people's ideas are also changing, and I don't know if I will have different ideas in the future."

Lei Jun smiled when he said this.

Although he can see the market development, he cannot see what others are thinking or how others want to develop.

All they see is the general direction of development.

Chang'e Technology is currently in a loss-making state, and Bilibili, Toutiao, and Xiaohongshu are not enough to support a large enough enterprise.

Although games are a good way to increase revenue, they are always second-rate and cannot reach the top level.

Our country does not have a top company that relies solely on games. The largest company that has achieved this is NetEase. Tencent says it makes games, but in fact it only makes capital.

Use capital to acquire global gaming companies, and use social traffic to represent games from other countries.

In fact, the audience for our own products is very small.

Including Li Yanhong and Zhang Chaoyang, Li Yanhong said: "I don't like dealing with people. I like to sit in front of the computer and pay more attention to technology."

He speaks very gently, with a hint of gentlemanliness, and seems very cultured.

He is good-looking and handsome. Among so many big bosses, he is the most handsome and also the most knowledgeable.

He graduated from Peking University and got his master's from the State University of New York, unlike Jack Ma who went to Normal University; Fang Hong studied at Beijing Film Academy, one teaches and the other makes movies.

Regarding the principal's repeated criticism of him at the forum, Li Yanhong said: "Some people have aggressive personalities. If I meet such a person, I might show it, but it is difficult for me to become friends with such a person. I will just ignore such a person."

What he meant was that he would not become friends with Fang Hong, because people like him had no manners, and he was very generous.

Fang Hong said that what he did was problematic, and he said that others had character problems, avoiding the issue.

Doing things like that and not letting others talk about it.

Fang Hong also accepted an exclusive interview, also in a similar room, facing Sa Beining.

The two people sat opposite each other, with the camera shining from their side and a white fill light above their heads.

Sa Beining asked: "I found a very interesting phenomenon in this forum. When you were debating, Jack Ma talked about the air environment, water, food and so on. I was confused. What does this have to do with mobile phones and movies?"

“It doesn’t matter, because Jack Ma doesn’t make mobile phones, nor does he make movies. I can say that he doesn’t understand mobile phones or the film-making process. If he doesn’t understand, how can he discuss it with you?
So he changes his way, his angle, and criticizes you from a higher position. He is unwilling to put himself on the same level as Lei Jun and me. He must want to put aside this level and look at the problem from another higher angle.

In fact, the two are not the same thing at all and have nothing to do with each other." Fang Hong said.

This is what happened when Lei Jun said that mobile phones are people's "intimate companions", and Jack Ma retorted by saying that humans need a better environment in the future, such as air and food.

In fact, these have nothing to do with mobile phones and are just attempts to confuse the public. At the time, Lei Jun was fooled and did not refute.

Sa Beining smiled and asked again: "I noticed at the forum that when you were talking to Jack Ma, you said that the income of ordinary people has increased. He said that the businesses he helped created a lot of jobs. What do you think of this issue?"

"In fact, this is a lie. He said before that Taobao created 10 million jobs, and now it has created 20 million. Many of them are couriers. Whether Taobao exists or not, couriers will always exist.

If we follow his logic, then wouldn’t Apple’s global industrial chain have created hundreds of millions of jobs? This is totally unrealistic and a self-flattering act.”

Fang Hong was very blunt in his criticism of Jack Ma.

In fact, the Ant Forest that came later was also a lie. The country had been building shelterbelts in the northwest region for decades, but it was not publicized.

But after Ant Forest came out and was widely promoted, the credit became theirs.

“So I hope people will use the most basic logic to think about problems, and not just follow what others say and believe what they say and think it makes sense.

The leader is standing too high and may not understand, but we are at the bottom, at the front line, and can look at business phenomena with essential feelings. It's very simple, whether you are making money and whether your pockets are fatter.

If your wallet is not full, who has taken away your job? This is the most real thing." Fang Hong said again.

(End of this chapter)